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1889-CC VAM-2A High 9, Doubled 1, CC Set Right, Clashed Obverse n III22 C3b (High 9, Doubled 1, CC Set Right, Clashed Obverse n) ( ? ) I-2 R-6 Obverse III22-- Clashed die with faint partial incuse n of In from reverse next to Liberty head neck. Heavy vertical die crack from rim thru S in PLURIBUS. THE SITE VAMWORLD AND THE (1991-4TH EDITION ENCLOPEDIAOF PEACE AND Morgan silver dollars) Does not mention the other incused and die breaks I have found on this coin.I was wondering if anyone else could shine some light on this year morgan and the vam-2a I have found.I understand that sometimes the sites and books are just the begining of what is actually out there. All input greatly appreciated , MORGANS DAD... |
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Pictures, need pictures. Without pictures there in not much anyone can say. A lot of oddities can be found on Morgan dollars. Minor cracks are not listed, not visable to the naked eye, scratches well hidden in hair and so on. |
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MorgansRmine, thanks , I will try. My camera is not the best, thanks, MORGANS DAD. PS HOW DOES EVERYONE GET SUCH NICE PICTURES?. ALL I HAVE IS MY DIGITAL!!
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G'Day M D  if you can please also It depends on how close you can focus to the coin,I've just brought a Sony Cybershot it allows me to take photos up to one centimeter away from the target it also allows the camera to zoom in on the target as well when I'm allowed to post I'll show you some photo's of my VAM's regards |
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Oh and P.S.  it also depends on how many mega pixels the camera has mine's 10.1  regards |
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TOP OF THE MORNING TO YOU nh,I am very grateful for your reply and time. My camera is a DIGIMAX S-800 8.1MP. I can not take photos like I have seen on this site, and when I am taking pictures for a sale or what-ever I just can not get it to be that good. I WILL TRY SOMETHING , MORGANS DAD PS: BE WELL ...
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Very nice find, ANACS is showing 6 of them being graded and 3 of them in new holder and 3 in old holder. The ones in new holder show generalized grading ranges and mine is the lowest, a F-15 and the highest is an AU. You won't be able to find much info on it other than VAMWORLD. As far as I know, ANACS is the only one doing this VAM now. |
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ocsJr2001, thanks for your input. I am trying to put up photos now. I have this coin raw. let me ask you , some people are of the school of thought that this coin is worth just as much ( no more ) than this coin in a VAM-1 condition. your thoughts?
I, know you can sell or gain an interest in anything as long as some one wants it. I just think this is a very unclear area!
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From what I see, I think the coin is worth a little more now than a non- attributed '89CC and will always be worth at least what they are worth. Not all that many have been found and it will take a few more years to see what all shakes out of the woodwork. If the numbers are low then, we might have a winner. Since '89CC are already worth quite a bit, I've got mine stashed away in hopes of a winner. What grade do you think you have?
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ocsjr2001, My thoughts are that of an old school person,and market and management-101, when the product is in low supply, the price reflects a larger premium. when the supply is plentiful, the premium reflects that also, not as much a premium. the rarer the product, and the demand is still there, the premium is raised. bottom line if you have something just a few people have and you sell it,it will command a larger price than if you have something some one wants and there is a large supply available, the price will be less.. I believe my coin is in ef-vf condition. I am going to send it to anacs to get it slabbed, and hope they do right by me ( with the VAM included) http://render1.snapfish.com/render2...f=50,590,442http://render1.snapfish.com/render2...f=50,590,442http://render1.snapfish.com/render2...f=50,590,442http://render1.snapfish.com/render2...f=50,590,442 |
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MorgansRmine, nuggethill,ocsjr2001, etal, I have posted 4-pictures of the 1889-cc morgan. I hope you find them helpful. Open them up with something like irfan view OR something like that and going to properties, you should be able toMAGNIFY THE PICTURES TO see on the Obverse, a crack from the rim through the letter s in e pluribus to the cap .Another crack or gouge from the 2nd star on left through the 1st star and through the "v" in the neck @ left of date, and continues through the 1889 date.There also appears to be a few 'shark fin like protusions' 1-protruding out from under the lower lip.another protruding out from the lower lip.Another above the bottom of the the hair cap:below the cap band. horizontal die scratch above 't" in liberty @ left of cotton leaf in valley. Metal dot or speck added in hair across from 2nd right side star in hair crease.There are 2-incused, lines on neck pointing to the 2nd star on left. High 9 in date. Reverse:2-incused lines from the right wing at the top of wing , lines go up to the letter n in the word 'in'.In the word united "the tops of the letters "nited" are doubled.also doubling of the word america.There are "s" shaped incused shapes, one over another at the left side of the wreath at the top 2-clusters, in the field between the wing and the wreath.Also at top of the right side wreath between the wreath and the wing in the field " strange incused shapes appear in that area.Also die break or crack from rim to right wing tip and from tip to letters"states of". This is what I found so far, but no more information about most of these things else where. Not even VAMWORLD, Any comments, I hope you can see the pictures and open them with a site to help you zero in on the areas I have mentioned, MORGANS DAD...PS IF YOU LOOK GOOD YOU SHOULD SEE MANY OF THESE THINGS.     |
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Mine is an earlier die state then yours,so my cracks around the rims aren't as long. The die gouges in the hair and the T are markers they use to help attribute. The others are die clash marks from the dies clashing together. When you finally get to see an overlay it will make it alot easier for you to understand the die transfer that happens. The long mark on the throat is from a wing, and the mouth and back of cape are from the wreaths. On the reverse, the clash from the wing up to the motto is from the throat and the one at the wreath is from the back of the cape. When you see it, it's like a light bulb turning on. Very simple transfer process. Have fun with the clashed coins and the King of them is the 1889-O VAM 1A2 which has the most transfered letters(9) and the E is doubled! |
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ocsjr2001, thanks for your input. I am still doing some research on this ( VAM). BE WELL, MORGANS DAD... |
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morgans dad, nice coin. Been there, done that. When I first started vamming, every time I found something not mentioned, I thought wow new VAM. Not. VanAllen & Mallis listed enough to distinguish between Vams but not everything on the coin. Clash marks can be found on almost every Morgan dollar and thus not mentioned unless exceptional. ocsjr2001 did a great job of covering your concerns. Don't hesitate to post if you have any more. |
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MorgansRmine, thanks for the expertise and time. I am dizzy reading the 4th edition. It has some very educational information and it is very involved, but I am getting consumed. I thank you all for the efforts put forth, MORGANS DAD...PS, just won a bid on ebay for a sweet camera. I promise better pictures for the future!! |
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