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I'll say VG details (cleaned).
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Well here I go again ,sticking my neck out . VF-20 VLDS and Details cleaned .  |
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I continue to maintain that you cannot grade VLDS coins, especially in lower grades like this, by what "should" be there. I would pay the grading fees to see this in a details "VF" holder from a major TPG. Edited by Coinfrog
12/29/2019 8:28 pm
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I know right, just one off ebay, trying to learn the late die state grading...I have a really hard time as well Coinfrog |
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I honestly think itd come back better than vg possibly, I'm not sure if that is wear, or if that is just weakness, and on top of that the luster is always different on the weak coins so I get extra confused. Ugh.
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WOW and UNREAL!! Cannot imagine a TPG grader looking at this coin. XF/AU. The dies are THAT worn!! Reverse die is past LDS (late die state). Obverse die should have already been pulled as well. VERY interesting coin. Thank you for sharing! |
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Fantastic coin, still retains some original red and VLDS! Surprised there are no die cracks. I see no evidence of cleaning, this appears to be a very original coin. Love it!
AU-55
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12/30/2019 12:39 am
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talk about worn dies. I'm with badthad on this one. AU53 maybe 55. this one is a lesson in how you cant use photograde or specific components of the coin to grade by. it takes more experience in die states and stamping. you can still the red in the fields specifically on the obverse. you aren't going to see this on lower grades.
Coinfrog, I'm surprised you didn't pick this up
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I guess the same could be said for a lot of the dies, werent there only a handful of dies available for use in 1922 which is why they used them until the mint marks were eroded from the die from use and die polishing? Always read they ground the dies heavily to remove die clashing but I have yet to see a die clashed 1922 d worthy of that much polishing.
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Went ahead and pulled the trigger on this coin, I've always been interested in the 1922d anyways and this was the latest die state specimen I have ever encountered.
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Interesting coin. It has a LMDS obverse die mismatched with a VLDS reverse die, coupled with a typically awful early Denver strike. The mint luster looks original. There is circulation, but the strike and die state make the circulation look much heavier than it is.
David Lange published information showing that 1915 dies in Denver only produced about 150,000 coins per die pair. I suspect 1922 wasn't much better, despite the overuse of the dies, probably somewhere south of 300,000 coins per die pair.
Adjusting for die state and strike, and taking into account the luster, I could see this coming in on the EF/AU bubble. PCGS would definitely knock it two levels for strike and die state. NGC probably would take it down a full level. All things considered, I could see a resulting grade EF-40-ish or EF-45-ish. Raw, on a bourse floor, I could see this being traded as an "AU slider," which someday will become EF-48.
JMHO.
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This is not mint luster, believe me. This coin has been severely cleaned. C'mon. I will pay full regular grading fees to see this graded straight EF-45 or better in a major TPG holder (PGCS or NGC). Edited by Coinfrog
12/30/2019 9:35 pm
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I guess the same could be said for a lot of the dies, werent there only a handful of dies available for use in 1922 which is why they used them until the mint marks were eroded from the die from use and die polishing? Always read they ground the dies heavily to remove die clashing but I have yet to see a die clashed 1922 d worthy of that much polishing. With a mintage of over 7 million, there would have been somewhere between 26 and 47 die pairs for 1922-D cents, assuming between 150,000 and 300,000 coins struck per die pair. The four "weak D" and "no D" die pairs are the best known, but far more coins were struck with strong mint marks. |
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This is not mint luster, believe me. This coin has been severely cleaned. C'mon. It's luster. Look closely in the crevices next to the portrait and the rims, and in the protected interior areas of the lettering (such as B, D, O, P, R and S) and the curls of the "9" and "2s" of the date. The coloring is consistent with the other protected areas, such as in the hair details and between the wheat lines. Any harsh cleaning would have produced brighter luster on the high spots. Any overdipping and artificial retoning would have produced brighter luster in the protected areas. This isn't the Mona Lisa (probably more like the ridiculous duct-taped banana artwork), but it's original. |
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KYCopperCoins, i'd take coinfrog up on his offer to cover your submission.
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