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How Far Back Can We Go? Sixth Edition! Ended At 1380 Waiting On 1379

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My vote is for it to count for this year. His rule was 3/4 in 1486 AD and presumably the die cutters took a few weeks to prepare the dies once he ascended. I'm interested to see what others think.
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 Posted 05/22/2022  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add erafjel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let it count. The coin is datable to a time span less than one year long, and most of that time span is within 1486.
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 Posted 05/22/2022  1:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm the one who originally pointed out that it should probably qualify [for reasons essentially equivalent to @erafjel's wording], so obviously I also agree.

(It looks like we're 4 to 0 in favor so far, not counting @tdziemia.)
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 Posted 05/23/2022  04:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I say move on, as soon as @tdz has coin in hand
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I also vote for moving on. the dies preparation shall take time....

Anyway it is much better to move then to close the thread or to wait for another half a year untill somebody can find dated coin...
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The Ayes have it. Motion passes. Moving on to 1485! Topic title updated. Lets get this train rolling again.
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Because of the Italian antiquities law and export paperwork, I will probably not have it in hand until August. But, as it is paid for, I now own it.
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Because of the Italian antiquities law and export paperwork, I will probably not have it in hand until August. But, as it is paid for, I now own it.

There was never a doubt in my mind.

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Lets get this train rolling again.

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This undated 2 stjiver (double patard) of Burgundian Netherlands, Duchy of Brabant was struck in 1485. G.H. 61-1 and Numista #98735.
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Nice one @tdz!

Here is a Half Stuiver from the Netherlands City State of Nijmegen dated AD 1485:

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I can't see any dates, can people posting these coins please indicate where the date is and whether there are figures not recognisable to today's eyes like that weird looking 4 that looks like a loop etc.

I mean we are in the era of heart shaped shields, castles, maidens and medieval knights.
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No hearts on my coin, but there are rosettes. The reverse inscription has the date in Latin and Roman numerals:

ANNO DOMI' MCCCC LXXXV

For the foreseeable future, all of my posts in this thread will have this same date format, but I'll be sure to point out any oddities of form.

If you examine the M letterforms on this coin, you will see that they are all but one of the type with "swoopy" arms, but the M of DOMI is blocky. I don't have a good reason for this, but would be very glad to have someone educate me. I guess as some letters and numbers were in transition, it would not be unheard of for a die cutter to use the "old" letterform as well as the "new" one.
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Here is an undated grosso of the Florentine Republic struck in the first half of 1484, MIR 64/2. The mintmaster's symbol in the crook of Saint John's upraised arm reverse, is that of Gerozio di Cambio di Vieri Medici which can be used to date the coin.
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I have removed the topic title alert. I will put it back if we get stuck again.
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