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1925 S Lincoln Wheat Cent - Odd Gouge Or Clash - Another Mystery To Me

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Looks like a raised upside down 9 tail. Unsure what this is but it is raised and neat-o so posting it for opinions.

Might also be something going on below LIBERTY as there is a bit of something odd there as well just not as defined.

1925-S Lincoln Wheat cent - raised bit by date


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Can't be a clash, even if it was misaligned it's too far off. So I'd say some sort of dent or gouge.
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That makes sense.
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Certainly agree that a gouge is most likely, but just doesn't have that gouge look to it. I like to thing fancy, even if always wrong, that it's something like a dropped 9 on the previous coin that imprinted on the die which then put the 9 on this coin raised. See? That's gotta be it, right?
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Overlay:
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I don't see anything that would cause that area to be affected by a clash yet?
I see no evidence of a push out on the reverse opposite that area?

Almost looks like a mirror curve of the '9'.
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Certainly like your thought process TB but the anomaly isn't as curved as the tail of the 9. It would have to be a heck of a MAD clash for it to be a wheat stem.
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This looks to be quite the mystery. Coops overlay is interesting, but doesn't hold an answer. Being raised, it can't be a gouge, can it? A gouge to the die? If that was the case, wouldn't we know of it considering the age?
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After sleeping on it, I think this is a DDO. Why? Notice how there is a spread that goes into the higher relief of the bust (negative relief on die) it would be very hard for it to be a gouge. There also seems to be a light spread under the 1. What do you think?
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Very interesting. Possibly a DDO, I like GrapeCollect's analysis of it. I'm leaning toward some weird die event, just because the "curve" in question isn't as curved as the 9 is, and for that reason I can't see it being a DDO.
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This could be a similar case as this one:

http://varietyvista.com/01a%20LC%20...4PDDO004.htm

It looks like it could be DDO, I agree.

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I find it amazing that obvious a fault, could go undetected for 95 years. If it were a mint error such as clash, or die gouge there would have to be others, all the regular suspects are ruled out.
I agree with GrapeCollects, If it were a gouge. I can understand that, but raised ? I can't imagine any one time event that would cause that mark. Either others exist, or it is not what it appears.
A real mystery.

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If it were a die event, then it could have received the damage later in life of the die. But it is were lets say a dropped hub on the die, then all the coins struck with that die would be seeing the same thing on the whole life of the die. So I'm thinking it is a die event, with just a limited number of these showing on coin during the later die state?
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Could that possibly be from a broken die on the reverse in the word "One" The (O) looks similar.
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Could it be a defective planchet.
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Thanks for all the comments! Still not sure what it is so will be sending images to the DDO experts first to see if any want to see it in-hand for inspection. I still can't figure out what would be doubled, but figure to start with that bit and write it off if they say it isn't. I think it was noted above, but as hard to miss as this is, kinda remarkable no one has reported finding one that anyone knows of. Ah well, we shall see.
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If the mark was in an obscure spot on the coin, I can maybe imagine it being missed, but right in proximity of the date, for 95 years to go undetected just seems highly unlikely.
I sure hope we get an answer to this.

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