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Is This 1990 D Jefferson With Missing FS Initials Legit?

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 Posted 10/15/2008  9:09 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Poll Question
I have found this coin on the net. I am skeptical. What do you guys think?
I have one of these already and my coin does not exhibit the same appearance under Jefferson's bust. Mine has normal even metal flow.
First image is the one in question, second image is mine and I believe it to be legit.

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 Looks like the real thing to me
 Looks like it was altered
 Looks like the photo was altered
 Maybe a Cud

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 Posted 10/15/2008  9:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coindexter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pony tail is ALOT different
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 Posted 10/15/2008  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for that observation and for the votes. I voted also and so far nobody thinks its real. I guess it is a good question posed.
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 Posted 10/16/2008  11:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am no expert, but it looks like the photo was altered. When I zoom in, the pixelation in that area seems different than the rest of the photograph.
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I used to teach at a wildlife sanctuary. I was often asked if a wooden but realistic looking duck decoy was real. The answer was...Yes It's real but it is not a live duck.

With this coin, it is real. The question is more about what happened to it. Are the missing designer's initials the result of damage, a filled die or a detail left off the hub and consequently the die.

There is no way to tell from the pictures what the situation is with either coin. The are both real though:-)

The point here is not to be silly but to have people think of more accurate ways to ask the questions.

In this case, the pictures don't give me enough information.

Thanks,
Bill
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 Posted 10/17/2008  10:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Here's a better close-up, I only wondered if it was a legitimate filled die or a doctored coin or photo.
Since much of the selling and buying happens over the Internet,
I was asking for opinions on whether this might be the real thing
1990-D Jefferson nickel Missing FS
Missing designer's initials below shoulder of Jefferson.

Before purchasing, I was hoping to get others opinions on whether it looked fishy or not.
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That is just a blowup of the not so good pic above!

Needs to be a clear close up of that area.
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 Posted 10/17/2008  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
But the blowup does seem to show that the photo has been altered.

I agree with Bill though that the photos aren't good enough to say anything definitive.
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10/17/2008 11:43 am
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 Posted 10/17/2008  4:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The general consensus is that there is some doubt, so I will pass on purchasing this coin.
If I had it in my possession, I would send a much better picture but I think it is not worth buying to find out for sure.
One thing this post might have contributed though, is that some caution should be taken when buying photographed coins I suppose. Thank you all for your opinions and comments.
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 Posted 10/17/2008  5:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
One thing this post might have contributed though, is that some caution should be taken when buying photographed coins I suppose

As long as the photos are taken properly and are large enough, then it is usually not an issue. When the photos are grainy and pixellated, it is usually best to just keep on moving.
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 Posted 10/17/2008  8:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kloccwork419 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
OOO..If thats a photo of a coin thats for sale..DO NOT BUY IT. Yo ucan see in the pix that there is a photshopped blending square section. they tried to do a nice patchjob but..NEGATIVE..They lost!. I would reportt too if its on ebay or somewhere
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 Posted 10/20/2008  6:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Designers Initials are not added to the die. They are part of the die. If they are missing, there were either filled in as a strike through or cleaned off the die during polishing, or tampered with. It would not be missing as this is part of the pattern for the die, not something added latter like pre 1989 mint marks. Reminds me of the missing FG on half dollars. It is missing because something removed/filled it in. It to is also part of the design and not added later. So it couldn't be missing these devices.
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 Posted 10/21/2008  11:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are ligit no initials, form die polishing.
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