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My guess is that these are Chinese fakes, but can you post a pic of the other sides? In Memory of Crazyb0 12-26-1951 to 7-27-2020
In Memory of Tootallious 3-31-1964 to 4-15-2020
In Memory of T-BOP 10-12-1949 to 1-19-2024
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nosfilc Based on the limited information provided, it is quite likely that one or both coins are not genuine. As spruett001 noted the market is saturated with Chinese numismatic forgeries and both dates are known to exist in this type but more data is essential.
You need to be aware that some counterfeit coins are valuable collectables - these are referred to as Contemporary Circulating Counterfeits (CCC). Other fakes made to defraud collectors are referred to as Numismatic Forgeries (NF) and are essentially melt items.
Before you do anything like test with acids or clean these coins you need to know if they are genuine, ccc or nf.
Photos of the edges of both coins are the next thing required. Forgers rarely get the edges correct. More after we see the edge type used for each.
Next an authenticator needs to weigh the coins accurately on a scale capable of weight to a 1/10 gram at bare minimum. That wright can determine if the coins are within normal weight limits given the approximate state of wear. You should also check them with an iron magnet to make sure the alloy is NOT magnetic. Many NF types are magnetic as well as the wrong weight.
Once we have that data we can move onto other more specific detailed questions before we can arrive at a scientifically justifiable answer.
Right now having authenticated thousands of similar coins from Mexico, I would give you roughly 50-50 odds slightly shaded to favor forgery.
Neither of these coins are known to have valuable contemporary circulating counterfeit examples which look like this. I would not say it is impossible but it is very unlikely. The decision will likely be between Genuine and Numismatic Forgery.
This is because the Pillar dollar (1752) circulated before a counterfeit could have been produced. A 1752 CCC would not look this genuine. Regarding the 1909 Peso and I am unaware of any examples of a CCC 1909 Zs Peso which were made using this technology.
I will await an update.
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      Thank you so much guys.. Here is my full coin and weight The 1752 coin 8 reales: * not magnetic * 27.4grams (based on what the guy told me in the shop) Republica mexicana coin * not magnetic * 27grams (based on what the guy told me in the shop) IF its authentic how much would it cost? I'm planning on selling it too Thank you so much for the help  |
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nosfilc Based on the image of the edge of the Peso, I can say with no doubt at all, that the coin is a recently made Numismatic Forgery of the type made in China. The reeds visible on the edge display a clear area of overlap indicating that the edge design was applied after the coin was created by rolling the edge on with a single die. The correct way of creating these reeds is with a seamless collar die. So it simply can not be real.
The 1752 8R is too heavy to be genuine. Being 7/10ths of a gram heavy is way out of line for the Mexico City mint. That alone proves the coin is a fake. The edge design is also incorrect for the type (it is an edge design I have seen on Chinese forgeries) so it causes me to conclude that it too is a relatively modern Numismatic Forgery of the type made in China.
Regarding the value, I would estimate the value of each coin at between $1 and $5 depending on finding someone who wants to study the forgery type. These are not normally collected by people interested in Circulating Counterfeits. Both of these coins should be marked COPY using a permanent stamp impressed into the surface of the coin to comply with the Hobby Protection act of 1973 as amended.
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swamperbob thank you so much..
Just sad that the coin I have is fake. thought I can sell it for a higher price
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nosfilc I understand how you feel. I hope the coins did not cost you much. Perhaps you could return them?
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swamperbob all good I think i'll just hide it somewhere
Again thank you so much for your help
More power to all of you and god bless
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