Realpeso Question About 1825 Iturbide 8R Coin

I know nothing about the series, but what in the world is going on between the eagle's head and the legend? Certainly one that I would avoid.

PatAR Those lumps would require an examination under a microscope before making a definitive comment. Just of the top of my head they could be due to a couple things.

1. Could be traces of an old mount (solder etc.)
2. Could be an indication of a cast copy (hole in mold).

Here is a portion of the ebay picture that shows the lumps.



Here is a portion of a graded coin showing the same area.



jgenn I agree that an 1825 Iturbide would be a very unlikely target. The primary reason being that the date makes no sense. No 1825 Iturbide coins were ever made.

So why make a coin that never existed even as a numismatic forgery?

I agree With Vicky that it looks cast and is dated 1823. It is Buttrey Hubbard Obverse 4 Reverse C. The legends are in the right place and characters are of correct style but very incomplete. The bust looks pretty good except that the bottom the neck is a bit rounded. Probably an incomplete casting die transfer.

VickySilver I was wondering when someone would point that out. The seller is wrong in saying the date is 1825 - it is 1823. There is damage between the upper and lower sections of the 3 which causes it to resemble a 5 when viewed with the un-aided eye.

Westwood Arms The coin is in fact a Numismatic Forgery which I actually own a copy of. The coin that was copied was a slightly rotated double strike that mangled many of the letters. I recognized the mint mark.

The coin is a worthless modern fake.

I advised the seller of all of these issues before I started this thread. There has been no reply from the seller thus far.

Contemporary Counterfeits of the Iturbide 8R do exist but they are rare. I have seen only 2 appear at auction in the past 20 years. Both sold for more than $800. I own one of the two. It appears as the plate coin at the top of page 501 of my book. It is the GNL 1822 Obverse N Reverse MoJM-001.