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Double Die Or Machine Doubling?

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Since the devices appear reduced in size, thinking MD
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to CCF. With only that pic it looks like MD and not a doubled die.
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Agree this is MD.



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It is Machine Doubling. How can we tell? Note the areas you are looking at.
1. Note that the outside edges are affected.
2. Note the normal size devices are there, but the area your looking at are reduced in size?
3. Note the contour of the devices is missing? On the opposite side of these devices, you can see the contour.
what do you mean by contour?
Note that on the left side of the devices are fading in color. Light to darkness gradually. But on the right side of the devices, the color falls over a cliff. No fade to dark, but a flat shelf below the normal area of the coin. That shows that the metal that was there after the strike was shoved aside by the machine right after the strike. That is called Machine Doubling. This was caused by the machine.
On a doubled die, the affected areas are most of the time affected by spread either on the central area of the devices or by notching in the corners of the devices, showing a doubling of the devices
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Note the notching and the enlarging of the devices? So the differences between the two. A doubled die has the doubling on the die. Machine Doubling is caused by the machine. The die is usually normal, but can also alter a doubled die also because the machine causes it. How do I know? Well here are 4 examples of how you can have Machine Doubling on a doubled die. (note the yellow arrows):
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The Machine Doubling altered the devices in a certain direction. It didn't alter all the devices, just in a direction. Now notice on your coin, the same thing is happening. All the affected areas are altered in the same direction. Hope this helps, if not I can share more information?
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Thank you All....very helpful
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