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So Do You Think It Is Better To Collect Graded Or Ungraded Coins / Banknote

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Poll Question
Grading is expensive, especially if that third party grading TPG is questionable.
But some people like a paid independent arbitrator of a coin or banknote.
Others love the thrill of competing for perfect coins as a competition for complete sets.
But raw coins or banknotes , how do you prove they are genuine or undoctored ?

Thus my poll . . . By graded I mean slabbed by the three top TPG companies.

Please vote according to your likes in the following . . .

Comments and opinions would be a wonderful additional source of discussion ; truly your point of view can help others reach a more informed personal circumstances decision ! ! !

Poll Choices
 Raw coin from reputable dealer
 Raw coin obtained in person
 Raw coin via known catalog
 Raw coin via internet images
 Graded coin from dealer
 Graded coin in person
 Graded coin from catalog
 Graded coin via internet
 Raw banknote from reputable dealer
 Raw banknote obtained in person
 Raw banknote via known catalog
 Raw banknote via internet images
 Graded banknote from dealer
 Graded banknote in person
 Graded banknote via catalog or internet

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If I'm spending over $100.00 on a coin, It has to be graded
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It really depends on the coin you're buying. If I'm buying a Washington quarter for my set, I don't mind buying a raw one, but if I'm buying a Seated Liberty dollar or a Charlotte Gold piece then it has to be graded.
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I'm one of those members that don't collect slabbed coins for a few different reasons , most of all, a lot of times I don't agree with the grades they give . The only thing I have to say is they are good for authenticating a said coin . As far as grading I've done fairly well over the years to grade my own coins with out spending all that money on TPG fees . Of cause every collector has their own way to buy coins & currency that they are comfortable with .
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I completely understand ! ! ! So OK ; you want to buy a particular coin , recent prices are in the range of 12 to 18 dollars . . .

Truly , are you just going to wait the next 11 years till someone finally springs for TPG fees ? = nope.

Some people KNOW they can grade coins ; for two main reasons , one they are egotistical or TWO they have worked over time to establish a reputation by comparing their opinions about grades with others ; like a peer review process.

Thus this person feels confident they can tell a coin or banknote grade. But what happens when that other party of the trade deal is also a gifted grader or even worse a complete stranger to the grading person trying to make the trade deal.

Thus I feel the hobby has benefited by these TPG due in the main to unscrupulous people into coins in particular in the past. Many unskilled people today who are very aware of scams and online criminals would totally avoid paying hundreds of dollars without some semblance of getting a respectable deal ! ! !

Here is the WORST thing about third party grading , they ALMOST ask you to sign over a kidney from your first born to fund that one items grading. Truly it is seriously overpriced ; I can understand for things like over a thousand dollars, but lower priced items ? Truly some of these people must have 300 foot yachts or maybe are just bad at handling loose money since they know others will
keep paying ridiculous grading fees . . .

Here is the best thing about TPG , They take something and preserve it / protect it and give their independent opinion. Then they send it back to the submitter ; now that item has an opinion as to its grade and the TPG has made their money already ! ! !

NOW that item can trade from person to person until it finally lands with someone who says one of THREE things :

- I am happy with my purchase, maybe I overpaid or got a bargain but at least I know its GRADE !,

- a knowledgeable grader who says ; krap that TPG got it wrong , I need to replace this graded 65 item fast since to any schooled person this poor grading will hurt my other items,

- or geez, this item is graded MS63 ? truly its at least a 65 or better ; time to crack it out for a regrading . . .

whether you agree or disagree with the above ; the vast majority of collectors are hobbyists and need reassurances before they hand over larger sums of money. These people do not have the time / skills or resources to learn semi-professional grading techniques.

without OVERPRICED TPG the hobby would be much poorer since the BEST factor to any items value is always ? ALWAYS one thing = POPULARITY , if you do not have the supply demand market then your not going to get the best price.

The more people bidding / seeking then the more ( higher ) you selling price and TPG helps that ! ! !

[ a case in fact ; in florida a number of years ago a modern copper cent as put up for auction for about 9,000 US$ for a 70 grade. Someone bid ; so that should have been the end of that , right ? except a counter bidder upped the price and these TWO bidders took a single copper cent to a final price of around US$ 40,000 ! ! ! is that not hilarious ? Well , guess what ; a short time later ... that copper coin developed copper spotting and the grading company had to buy it off the winner under their coin grading guarantee ; LOL ] ;)
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Quote:
If I'm spending over $100.00 on a coin, It has to be graded

I'm the same way except I use $150 as a guide.
EXCEPTION: Coins of particular significance to me.
My birth year set is slabbed.
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I buy a coin if I like it. Slabbed or not doesn't matter. I have both. I have a set of MS slabbed coins and I have several albums filled with nonslabbed coins. I can grade a coin and I can generally spot a details coins (and if its pleasing I'll even buy the details coins). I've purchased a slabbed coin that cost me less $5 and I've purchased a raw coin that was over $700. Like I said, a slab is meaningless, condition, eye appeal and price are most important consideration. In some cases a slabbed coin meets all 3 in others its raw.
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A graded slab means three things to me :
- the coin is authentic,
- it has an independent grade that is hard to argue with,
- it is protected forever from accidental damage . . .

BUT why others pay a lot of money fora 15 or 20 $$$ item is unknown to me...

Thanks for your responses and feedback / help / opinions ! ! !
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The thing about restricting yourself to graded coins is that you lose out on that rare but oh so exciting chances to bag something scarce and valuable because you know something the seller doesn't know. I've had several such coups: 1898 small w, obv 1; 1888 10c; 1945 narrow date 5c [all Newfoundland and all graded EF-40 or better]. Spent less than $200 on $3,000 worth of coins in those three cases.
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Somebody is ALWAYS out there....to separate a collector from their money.


What does a collector need to do in order to prevent this? This is why grading services were started. Do they make bad calls? Yes, they do occasionally as well.


Should a collector only purchase graded items? Maybe, until they learn how to spot coins that have been "helped" and/or counterfeit.


Grab ALL the info a person can about the series they intend to collect. Join or start a coin club. Become a member of multiple internet groups. Buy books. Research REAL auction sales. Bottom line, do your homework...otherwise, the education will be expensive!
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