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This is my first post, thought I would share image of the Trump coin. I was curious about the "Bernard Von Nothaus" hallmark after reading about him...quite interesting and controversial history. So I removed the coin from the certificate to look at the hallmark, otherwise you cant see it. Any opinion on the "Bernard" hallmark that identifies this as first day issue? It seems to be in the wrong position according to the images I see online.   |
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pic of correct location of hallmark...I think.  |
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Its a silver medal, its not a coin it wasn't issued by the governement. Its worth at least melt, so assuming its one ounce of silver so its worth about $17 today.
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I am not interested in the value. I am interested in the placement of the hallmark. I am curious, not worried about the value...either way. If the hallmark is in the wrong position, I will simply display it with that information present on the display. Just asking if anyone has seen these medals (thank you for the correction in terminology, appreciated) or has one to inspect. Its hard to find any online to compare to as there were not a lot of them made, apparently. The one I found on e-bay did not picture the hallmark. Thank you for the reply!
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These sort of medals can have numerous subtle differences like that. It probably has to do with the run of minting yours vs an earlier run. Bernard Von Nothaus didn't design the medal, I assume that, I could be wrong, but he did probably distribute them. Maybe he had his mark put on his run. Looks like it it is incuse and not part of the die originally. I did a quick look at him with a search and the usual internet nonsense both pro and con pops up. Stuff like that isn't always reliable. I guess you could conclude he is a controversial character tho. Sometimes political medals come up here, and it's best they don't convey too extreme a bashing one way or the other on an opponent or political view. I learned myself posting here to not cross the line in opinion comment or subject matter. I had a medal post removed. You're probably safe with this so far and  to CCF! |
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Thank you for your kind and thoughtful response! I think your theory as far as hallmark location is certainly a strong possibility. What I have learned about the medal so far, if my sources are accurate, is that Bernard Von Nothaus (BVN going forward) did design the medal. Again, according to sources it appears that 650 of these medals were hand stamped with his mark for the 1st day release at Trump Tower on April 27th, 2016. I will find the answer eventually as to whether the position of the hallmark is an anomaly on my medal or a common occurrence, or something in between. I already sent inquiries to various sources and it will probably take some digging to come to a reasonable conclusion. I love preparing items for display, especially when there is a story worth telling about the history of the item and the characters involved. My collection includes graded coins, bullion, and other interesting items such as the Trump dollar. The collection is going to go to my 10 year old son someday, and he is enjoying starting his own collection now. Its so fun for us! Thank you again for your kind response! A a new member posting for the first time, getting lambasted was a fear I had, as social media has apparently gotten rather ugly these days. I dont even do facebook, this is the first social media I have participated in. Good Day Friend!
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Hey TNG, I checked out your link. WOW! Thats a lot of history! Awesome.
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to the CCF! It looks like the hallmark may have been added after the coin was struck. It's incuse and doesn't match the coins design. It may be laser etched. As for NotHaus, I found this from 2012... Quote:
Bernard von NotHaus faces up to 20 years in prison for his 'conviction' of the crime of minting $60 million worth of constitutionally legal private silver coins. Naturally, since von NotHaus made the mistake of minting the word dollar on the coins, the Feds threw the book at him, confiscated the phyzz, and labeled the patriot a 'domestic terrorist'. As you said, lots of controversy with this guy. ANA ID: 3203813 - CONECA ID: N-5637 Clean a coin that may be worth collecting? Please DON'T! When in doubt, leave it dirty!! 
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The website referenced on the medal itself gives some information. The hallmark is described as "hand stamped", so I'm inferring that its placement could well vary as this was done after being minted. The site also says that it was designed by Bernard von NotHaus. https://www.trumpdollar.us/2016-trump-dollar/ |
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Thank you Okozuna and Alpha2814 for your observations. My research agrees with what you are both finding. I will post anything I learn that is evidences of the hallmark position being an anomoly on my medal, or if its a common variance, or whatever I learn about it. If you happen to see anything that might help in determining that answer, please post.
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Hey TNG, I checked out your link. WOW! Thats a lot of history! Awesome. Thank you!  |
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Well, I got the answer to the "hallmark" location on the Trump medal. TNG...you had it right! There are variations in the location of the hallmark. How I found out.....I sent an email with the same pics as I posted, to Trumpdollar.us contact us link. I got a phone call today. I was at Wolf Ridge MN (chaperoning for my sons 3 day camp). I was 30 feet off the ground on tower 2 transitioning 10 year olds to the second (high wire walk, Lake Superior in background) phase of the "Ropes" adventure. Surprisingly, we were in cell range. A guy asks me if I sent in pics regarding the hallmark. He then says " I'm the guy that designed the coin, and stamped the hallmark on those first day issue medals". Life is full of surprises. I said you are Bernard, (I couldn't remember his last name). He said...yes. He went on to say that he is getting older and tended to pick spots for the hallmark that wouldn't jeopardize the integrity of the medal, since it was added post strike. The spot that is pictured as the correct location is tight I guess......but he went on to say that if you have any with the hallmark exactly where it is pictured, hang on to it. He shared with me some of the general information on the felony conviction. As I read, he did only receive a short probation term, no prison time for the "crime", although the Federal Govt was pushing for a 20+ year prison sentence. All government confiscated material was court ordered to be returned to the owners. He shared some other information that I am not going to relay here, as I believe he was sharing it in confidence. Bottom line...I was completely taken aback when he called, as you could imagine. If anyone has an interesting question about his Trump dollars, he may well respond in person.Unreal! The uploaded pic is of my son right before I got the call.  |
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