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blargish Valued Member United States 178 Posts	Posted 03/22/2020 3:27 pm Grabbed this spread eagle token for about 20 bucks off of ebay a little ago and am considering sending it to ICCS as I believe it is an MS example. Wanted to double check here and see if people share my thoughts. I understand the 1815 clockwise wreath is relatively common to find in high grade as a hoard of was discovered some time ago in uncirculated condition. The chest feathers of the eagle are also usually weakly struck, as seen in this example. There some original red luster that is difficult to pick up on camera, as well as what I believe to be a small planchet defect about 10 o'clock on the obverse near the rim. Any opinions are appreciated! LC-54D2 obv rev Report this Post to the Staff

okiecoiner Pillar of the Community Canada 5589 Posts	Posted 03/22/2020 4:00 pm I don't think that it's MS. Lots of wear on the Obverse design and also the tips of the laurel leaves. The eagle shows wear other places than the breast. I think it would be a waste of money to certify .. just keep it as a nice coin and save the cert cost for another. Report this Post to the Staff
Wade Pillar of the Community Canada 2781 Posts	Posted 03/22/2020 7:34 pm my initial thoughts were AU55/58, but I don't think an MS grade is out of the question the ground under Britannia shows extremely well (I've seen MS62+ examples with less detail). with that, and the wreath being so well defined I would have expected Britannia's dress to show more detail, but that could just be a result of the die state. putting my initial thoughts aside, I could see this 61 or 62. send it off, if it doesn't grade MS I will send you the $20 grading fee. if it were an 1813 or '14 I would send it off without a thought. even still, since ICCS is relatively inexpensive it would be a cheap learning experience (for everyone, hence my offer). nice grab for $20 regardless Edited by Wade 03/22/2020 7:36 pm Report this Post to the Staff
blargish Valued Member United States 178 Posts	Posted 03/23/2020 1:54 pm @okiecoiner The body of Britannia was in question to me too, but other high points of the design show virtually no wear (ie. the ground and the shield) which leads me to believe that the die may have just been worn. Also, notice the definition of the trident where it crosses Britannia's left arm. @Wade Quote: the ground under Britannia shows extremely well (I've seen MS62+ examples with less detail). with that, and the wreath being so well defined I would have expected Britannia's dress to show more detail, but that could just be a result of the die state. putting my initial thoughts aside, I could see this 61 or 62. send it off, if it doesn't grade MS I will send you the $20 grading fee. I was thinking along the same lines. The detail in the shield and in the ground was leading me towards MS. On the reverse, the tail of the eagle gave me a similar indication. For comparison is the following example which grades MS-62; the obv shield is noticeably weaker, as well as the ground beneath it. I'm planning on sending mine in when I get the chance, and don't worry about the grading fee . Thank you both for the responses! Cheers Report this Post to the Staff
oriole Pillar of the Community Canada 5241 Posts	Posted 03/23/2020 8:04 pm Canadian colonial tokens are difficult to grade as they tended to be weakly struck, as this one is. If the grading company is unfamiliar with these tokens they may well give them too low a grade. That being said, I have not attempted to grade this type, but I am looking for wear and I really can't be sure if it is slight wear or simply a weak strike. You may really need an in-hand look to be sure. However, at the very least it was a great buy for $20. Edited by oriole 03/23/2020 8:07 pm Report this Post to the Staff
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