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I was inspired to make this post from fellow CCF member hfjancinto and his really nice looking Indian Head cent collection. http://goccf.com/t/370239

I had really nice VF-EF Indian Head cent and AU-MS Lincoln Cent sets close to being completed back in high school, which I stored and displayed in Harco albums.

I put them away when I went off to college and didn't check on them for a long time (3 years or more). When I finally did - many of the coins were literally swimming in green goo from the PVC in the album pages and slides. Many of the coins were damaged beyond saving with acetone, and many were pitted. Sold them at a big loss and learned a very valuable lesson, know your storage, and archival products, also check on them regularly for any changes that may be occuring (especially copper and more so in a humid area). Not a lesson one should go through.

Harco had issued non PVC slides so I bought a set of them, but the PVC even leeched off the pages to get into the new slides on my Indian Head cent collection, thankfully I was by then paying close attention regularly. I tossed out the albums and never used them again. I was sad as I really liked the concept of their design, and for displaying - they looked great. I would put a sheet of white or black (with gold or new bright MS copper coins) between the coin pages, to really make the coins pop out more.

I was inspired to make this post from fellow CCF member hfjancinto and his really nice looking Indian Head cent collection. http://goccf.com/t/370239, he is using excellent state of the art albums that utilize new anti-corrosion technology we didn't have 30 years ago.

Today I have only a couple of Dansco albums and generally just use 2x2 mylars in boxes to store my collections. A few of the better copper coins are in Lighthouse Quadrum Intercept 2x2 Coin Holders. I keep all of them inside tupperware bins with dehumidifier desiccant packs that I recharge often. Most anything safe for food is also safe for coin storage. These are then stored in a secure safe or at the bank safe deposit box. Being in a more humid area today than I was back in high school, I really worry more about the environment they are kept in more than anything else. I primarily collect copper and bronze composition coins, which are more troublesome than silver. Gold is the one coinage metal that seems to hold up the best long term storage, (just look at a ocean treasure recovered coin sometime).

Just wanted to remind all you collectors that we are only caretakers of our coin collections, and we can't take them with us when we pass on, so do what you can to safeguard them in the meantime, while they are in your care. Don't let this happen to you...

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Well said, thanks.
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 Posted 03/24/2020  7:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add chafemasterj to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Great post and advice. Thank you.
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Do all the Harco albums have PVC inserts or is it just the older versions?
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Great post! I actually came on here before I posted to learn about storage. And while the vast majority of my coins are in archival albums (honestly don't tell Carl and jBuck, I got Whitman's and Dansco because of them), I still have my original wheat cents in Whitman and Littleton folders. I worried about them but for 30 year old coins they look the same. PVC is bad but storage location is also important.

I also use the dessicant packs. I have the ones you plug in. They last years. Thank you west coin for the great reminder!!
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Do all the Harco albums have PVC inserts or is it just the older versions?


Can't say I know. When I first bought my albums (probably 1979-1982) they were all PVC plastic, entirely (well except for the cardboard under the PVC covers and the aluminium screw posts). Then after awhile the inserts were offered as a replacement, I think I bought an album and inside was a sheet of paper with an order form to get the "NEW Safer slides" for all their various albums they produced (And they made a lot of albums world and US). Our local coin shop started carrying the replacement slides. They were clearer and like the safe-t-flips a lot more brittle. In fact the coins were actually hard to get into the individual pockets, they also scratched a lot easier and even split over time or on larger coins with sharp edges, like proof quarters, halves, and dollars. The top of the pocket stayed open to allow PVC gas to enter, so they weren't ideal. I remember cutting the cuticles on many fingers inserting my cents into those slides. I had albums for almost every series of coin circulating at the time, plus many other early series as well. Probably close to 30 or more different albums going on my bookshelf.

I can't say I remember ever seeing any albums with non PVC pages made. In fact the brown album covers are also covered in a PVC based plastic. Only the slides were ever changed. I found a lot of similar bad PVC experiences when I Googled "Harco Coin album" just now.

Including this thread here at CCF http://goccf.com/t/189379 no harm had come to his coins thankfully, and he has a nice photo of the non PVC "safe" slide up close.

I also found this interesting quote on another coin forum from noted numismatic author Tom Delorey on the history of Harco, someone asking about telling the difference on the old vs. newer Coinmaster albums:


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Harco went out of business when he died. We used to carry the albums in the store, but I am unaware of any difference in the cover between the PVC and non-PVC inserts. Of course, I never do look at the covers. When people bring in old albums, all you have to do is open the album and sigh or not sigh....
Tom DeLorey


I thinks Tom's last sentence really says it all. The Coinmaster albums were a great idea and design then manufactured well but using very bad materials. They just aren't worth the gamble to keep your coins in them, unless it's for a weird science experiment. You can still find them new and used for sale on ebay and other places online, even though they haven't been made in decades now.

Found this photo showing the envelope the new SAFE slides came in. Judging from the photo and my memory, They never changed over, only added these replacement strips into older stock albums and sold them to previous buyers. A new album came with all the strip in envelopes like this inside. Why you always needed to check someone hadn't slit ope the plastic wrap and swiped the slide envelope. Towards the end they may have stopped putting in the PVC slides, but I remember having them in all of my albums and getting the SAFE slides as extras.

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EDIT: I thought I had mentioned this here before, so I tried a search, and what da ya know? Way back in 2014 I mentioned the story briefly. http://goccf.com/t/186178&whichpage=2#1739582 And JBuck even knew about the copy of the Harco in non PVC pages called the Guardmaster Coin Albums. I've never seen these.

Also my story in more detail from 2014 here at CCF http://goccf.com/t/181961#1677702
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Thank you for sharing.

I was really impressed with the Harco design myself. Way back in 1984 I tried to buy some, but the dealer (a friend of my grandfather, who took me to the shop that day) said he got rid of his stock (the word dumpster may or may not have been used) and switched to Dansco. My grandfather bought me my first two Dansco albums that day (Ike and JFK) and I never looked back.
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Westcoin, thanks for the tip regarding the Harco albmuns.
I just got two collections this year so I pulled out the slides.
Now I need some advice on what to do next.

Here's a few pictures of my coins in slides with some cool stamps.
I thought the albums were neat but maybe it's time to upgrade.

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Can't say about the stamps, but for the coins I would give every single one of them a good rinse/soak in acetone, re-rinse in fresh acetone, then leave to evaporate on a micro cloth, no need to touch the surfaces, the acetone should strip off any PVC residue that got on the coins. Those look like they may be the safer slides (are they the brittle ones and pretty stiff? if so then you're issues are not as bad), If they flex or smell like a shower curtain plastic then for sure they are the old PVC ones. PVC can still get to the coins from the open top so that is why I recommend a good acetone rinse.
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Westcoin, thanks for an awesome post.
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Westcoin, thanks for an awesome post.


If it helps save one coin then it's been well worth it.

Nobody should have to go through what I did, wish I had some actual photos of my albums, I never thought to take any, I posted some I had saved from the web and edited to make larger and clearer. My coins were covered in green thick goop or swimming in a pool of liquid while others had small amounts of dry green flaky stuff on them and most of the coins had already started to show pitting. I don't think I had maybe 10-12 coins that survived living in those albums. Out of what around 225+ coins at least.
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Sure wish more people would put their coins in better Albums and then into Ziplock plastic bags. I have and all look great for many years.
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Thanks a bunch for the advice! Its a shame about the damage to such nice pieces.

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I removed the coins from the Harco albums and the slides are hard plastic - not soft so that's good news I guess. Some of the coins are in plastic capsules inside the slides.
What kind of capsules are these? Anyone familar with this product? One of the cents has damage but not by PVC maybe moisture caused this large black spot?
The capsule is making it difficult to photograph. First few attempts were worse if you can believe that.

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The capsules are a good thing in that album, that saved the coins form damage for sure. The dark spots on copper are almost always caused by moisture, many times by talking when looking at coins, tiny droplets of spittle will contact the coin and invisible at first can grow like a cancer into small black carbon spots. A spot as large as the one on that 1984 cent is most likely trapped humidity or or actual water that got in. Nothing will get rid of it once it has taken hold unfortunately.
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