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One thing I have not missed during the lock down is cash - I've got about $160 in my wallet and haven't touched any of it. None of the (small number of) stores that are open in my area are taking cash for safety reasons. This got me wondering what if we just got rid of it altogether?

I think this is unlikely - my understanding is that, in Canada at least, making money is a profitable endeavour for the Government. But if that's left out, there's previous little need for it.

What effect would this have on coin collecting I wonder?
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It would cause a large crash in the prices, much like stamp collecting which is not what it used to be once apon a time.

Don't worry though, people aren't quite as silly as they look, they would never accept a cashless society as it would be a complete surrender of civil liberty being reliant on a third party to make a purchase.
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The biggest issue with no cash is that a lot of the economy is "underground". People that have cash will pay with cash to have no/little trace. Cash works for a lot of smaller items as people don't want to be holden to an AP or other means. I use credit cards when I need to but a lot of times I pay cash. I don't want the government to know what I am buying.

Recently there was an article in our local paper how people were staying home and not traveling out of county and they were able to know this as most people have tracking on "Always" on Google, so Google always knows where you are. The only place I have tracking turned on is my Laptop as it stays home. My phone I have to enter my location if I want to know what is local.
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One thing I have not missed during the lock down is cash


I'm finding the same thing. I'm using cards when shopping. I have about £2 in change in case I need it, and haven't been to an ATM for over a month. A couple of days ago I needed some milk and walked to my local convenience store. They are still taking cash.
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my understanding is that, in Canada at least, making money is a profitable endeavour for the Government.
Even without coins for commerce, profit from NCLT can go on forever.
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I am starting to worry about the possibility of A Bank Bail In .
Maybe time to empty the account and hold cash in a safe guarded by a python and a German Shepherd .
One of our branches is locked tight and we cannot access our SD box .
Our Credit union with our business account has been closed for a month .
Our US bank is also locked tighter than a drum .
Scary times are on their way .
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If cash disappears, all our seniors who don't have computers or credit cards will be at a severe disadvantage - estimated to be about 2 million people in the UK. Charities and small stores will also suffer.

If cash disappears, collectors will too.

Look what happened to match covers, matchbox labels, cigarette cards, for example. The collectables still exist but virtually no-one collects them any more. In my fathere's day, almost everyone collected cigarette cards. Most of my grandad's friends collected matchbox labels.

We should all be lobbying our governments not to let cash disappear - I have.
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I think the pandemic will hasten the death of cash. People have always feared physical money as a potential vector for disease transmission during a plague (even back in the dark ages when people had no idea that diseases were caused by bacteria and viruses), but this is the first global pandemic where refraining from using physical cash is actually possible - back in 1918, it wasn't an option as most money was still physical and still tied to precious metals.

Using electronic money is simply easier and more convenient than using cash. People all over the world who have never used electronic money before, or who (like me) prefer to use cash when possible, are being forced to abandon cash and learn to use e-payments. After using a more convenient form of money for at least several months, are people going to be willing to go back to using a more inconvenient form of money? I would say a great many people will not.

As for what that means for coin collecting, I agree with some of the sentiments above. Short-term, as prices flatline, investors will dump out, creating a glut. Longer term, both the supply and demand will drop as the hobby recedes into the same obscurity currently enjoyed by the collectors of swords and olive-oil lamps, but the drop in demand from being fewer and fewer new collectors will be the long-term killer of the hobby.
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@Sap - maybe.

But it's a fact that people are attracted to beautiful, interesting things. And coins are inextricably linked to human history and culture; as my 19-year old hip-hop, movie and girl-obsessed son remarked "they're just cool". Speaking for myself, the Athena Owl is my single favourite human artifact. It's stunningly gorgeous and packs a remarkable message of wisdom and peace. All in the context of pocket change. In its day it was as common as rainwater and there's still a fair number of them out there in spite of the fact that manufacturing ceased more than 2,000 years ago.

My bet is that coin collecting will change but I would be surprised if it died out.
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The following was copied from a health article:

"Cash is not a good vehicle to transport respiratory viruses, however, cards have a little bit more potential," said Dr. Susan Whittier, a clinical microbiologist at New York-Presbyterian Hospital at Columbia University Medical Center."

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no cash
i would go fishing
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Also, is stamp collecting really dead? I just typed "Newfoundland stamp" in ebay and found that there are more than 6,000 individual items. Prices are pretty low but maybe with a little imagination and research there are decent opportunities?
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Its funny that someone should claim electronic money more convenient than cash.

I get paid in cash, and if I want to spend electronically I need to deposit cash in the bank.

I make transactions with other physical people in cash and can budget accordingly. When I spend cash it feels like I am spending money, when I click somewhere or swipe a card it doesn't feel like I spent anything and thus it is much harder to manage. When I try to pay for something in cash my bank doesn't panic, cancel my transaction and then cause me to phone the bank and answer lots of questions just to spend my own money. Cash is easily transferred between private individuals without any need for accountants or statements to be made to the authorities. Cash is extremely convenient in my opinion.
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"Cash is not a good vehicle to transport respiratory viruses, however, cards have a little bit more potential," said Dr. Susan Whittier, a clinical microbiologist at New York-Presbyterian Hospital at Columbia University Medical Center."
In person, I prefer to use my phone. All I have to do is unlock it and get it near the terminal.

For delivery, takeout, or groceries we order and pay in the appropriate app. I never have to touch my physical card, let alone let someone else handle it.

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I get paid in cash, and if I want to spend electronically I need to deposit cash in the bank.
I have have been paid via direct deposit for nearly thirty years now. Any checks I still receive (from consulting, birthdays, or what-not) have been deposited electronically via mobile app for the last five years. Years ago it was habit to draw $80 from the ATM every week, now I am lucky to pull that every three months.


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I make transactions with other physical people in cash and can budget accordingly. When I spend cash it feels like I am spending money, when I click somewhere or swipe a card it doesn't feel like I spent anything and thus it is much harder to manage.
My experience is different. I have many tools to manage my spending electronically. I know how to budget. I know how to save. I do not feel any more compelled to spend money just because I cannot see it.

This did not happen overnight. It all started with direct deposit. Over time I added auto-draft payments for mortgage, auto (before it was paid off), insurance, etc. Not all at one time, but over about twenty years. The last thing I stroked a check for was my car registration but even that finally moved online. Mobile payments are the relative newcomer, but still a mature function for me.


I am not saying this to convert anyone, but to give an example of how one 50 year old person has adapted with the times. Those younger than me are even more adaptable to these changes. Younger still may never use cash. It sounds morbid, but we will all die eventually and the succeeding generations will certainly at some point realize that cash is no longer necessary to them. It will go extinct, probably not with a bang but a whimper.
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Look what happened to match covers, matchbox labels, cigarette cards, for example. The collectables still exist but virtually no-one collects them any more. In my father's day, almost everyone collected cigarette cards. Most of my grandad's friends collected matchbox labels.

People still collect all those things, just maybe not as many people. I think that most people when they decry the possible decline in the number of collectors, they are really worried about the number of collectors, they are worried about the possible decline in the value of their holdings. Because fewer collectors means lower prices. (Which means those who do collect can buy MORE!) There are 33,000 listing on ebay right now for cigarette cards, and 11,000 for matchbox labels. yes prices are low, but there is still a collector base.
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