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Price Guide - Which One Do I Use?

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 Posted 11/02/2008  11:01 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add snitchard to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,

I have a question and that is as a collector where am I going to get a better more accurate idea of price? One dealer suggested Coin Values, which is a part of Coin World Magazine. Everyone else suggests Grey Sheets but no one could say if weekly or monthly was better.

From a price standpoint a 1 year Grey sheet subscription is $98 but for now I'd go for the 6 months for $54. The Coin World and Coin Values together is $58 a year or 6 months for $32. I can also get 6 months of Coin Values alone for $16 which is what I would start with, but Coin Values is only monthly, the Grey Sheet is weekly. Any help is appreciated.

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Rich
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 Posted 11/02/2008  11:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kabiye_Lady to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Don't worry about weekly vs. monthly - coin values don't change that quickly. It would only be important if you're investing hundreds/thousands each week.

There isn't ONE that is the best. Get a couple or get one and then use the online one at numismedia dot com. There's also the pcgs one you can use for slabbed coins (high in value, but it's better than a ouiji board).
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 Posted 11/02/2008  12:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Weekly is only for the most popular series, eg Morgans, and some others. (including gold, silver, type).

The monthly has many sets, from: Indian cents, Lincolns, V-nickels, Buffs, Barbers (all) Mercs dimes, etc.

the quarterly issues list the less traded: Seated dimes, etc. The quarterly issues are updated less frequently (obviously).

Use the Grey sheet, far more accurate.
Coin World just released the January issue, and it took them almost a year to up date the (for example) Barber quarters, in fact they were listed for less than bid on the 1896 S and 1913 S quarters.
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 Posted 11/02/2008  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've always found that any coin magazines have very inflated values in the price columns. I would say they do this to help the advertisers sell their coins at inflated prices and they also tell you what you want to hear.

OH BOY! My bag of wheat back pennies from 1940 to 1958 are worth 25 times face value ! LOL!

The RedBook has always been my guide, and I try to buy my coins at least at 75% of what the RedBook says.
I also agree that the Grey sheet is a great resource, but I think that it is an expensive source of info and probably more useful to the dealers and serious collectors.
At a coin show, I have often asked a dealer if they have an older copy handy of the Grey sheet I could have and whenever I did ask around I got it for free.

Of course, no price guide is of any use unless you have some grading experience or at least some help from a trusted honest knowledgeable fellow collector.

For up to date values, I might take an average price realized of the same coins in the same condition in completed auctions on places like ebay.
When I buy on the net, I am usually the one with the lowest completed auction for that particular grade and coin from the group as long as the feedback of the seller is pretty decent and established. I count the shipping as part of the value of the coin.
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The Greysheet is a wholesale guide. It is supposed to list the prices dealers will pay other dealers for inventory. It is sometimes possible for collectors to buy coins for these prices, especially modern coins and non-key dates.

Coin Values lists retail prices. It is supposed to list the prices that dealers expect to get when they sell coins to collectors. It tends to run kind of high, but there are dealers who use it to price their coins, and they apparently sell enough at those prices to stay in business.

The online guide, Numimedia (http://www.numismedia.com/fmv/fmv.shtml), is also a retail guide, and tends to run kind of low. Using it and Coin Values should provide a reasonable retail range of prices.
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Hello,

If Numismedia.com runs low and "The Red Book" runs high that is good. A dealer at the show told me that Proof Commemoratives grade at about a "PR-64" is that true? What about Proof Sets? I like the idea of the Coin World/Coin Values but Grey Sheet sounds like it might get me more accurate pricing. I'm still on the fence. Any ideas?

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Rich
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I get the Greysheet "$13.75 Special" a couple times a year. This gets me the 7 most recent issues that cover all the series. If you are just interested in the prices for Modern Commemoratives, you should be able to just get the issue that covers that for less.

If you get that, and have a RedBook, and access Numismedia online, you should have all the bases covered.
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 Posted 11/03/2008  08:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snitchard to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

Bilbo, how do I get the "13.75" special?

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Rich
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 Posted 11/03/2008  08:43 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SpringCypress to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think the best place to find real time pricing on coins is ebay.
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 Posted 11/03/2008  12:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snitchard to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

The more I look at this the more I'm thinking a subscription to Coin World/Coin Values may be good. I only collect two kinds of coins at the moment, Modern Commemorative Coins and Annual Proof Sets. I can't see spending all that money for just 2 sections and one is only there every other week.

What advantages are there to a coin magazine? Someone in this thread said that Coin Values tend to be high, just like "The Red Book" although I did see one dealer pricing coins off of Coin Values. I like Numismedia.com but I don't know which grade to go off of for Modern Commemorative Proofs and Annual Proof Sets. Someone said "PR-64" but I would think "PR-69" since they are directly from the mint. Which do I go off of? HELP!!

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Rich
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 Posted 11/03/2008  12:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add murty to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with springcypress...ebay is real time market for the coins you are collecting.
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 Posted 11/03/2008  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add snitchard to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

If I'm using ebay do I just look to see what different people are selling the coins for?

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Rich
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put the auctions into your watched items and see what they are selling for , or you can look for completed auctions .

I will put several into my watched items of the same item and see what prices they sell for and know that I will pay somewhere between the lowest and highest .



by the way for straight from the mint grades I use 67 as a base line not 69 .
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The question is depending on just how many coins you are attempting to verify the prices of. If your constantly wondering about the prices of coins or anticipating the purchase of numersous coins, then I can see you wanting to know which is the one to use. As for all price guides, they are just that, guides. Almost any mentioned are just that, guides and are subject to a lot of guess work. There is no manufacturers list price on coins they are all based on price and demand. If you are interested in only a small amount of coins, then as already noted just go to ebay and see what they are selling for. That is free. There are other guides such as again already mentioned the Red Book but take about 20 to 25% off those prices. Then again there is the PCGS web site price guide and again free and again take about 20 to 25% off those prices. To submit to magazines or newsleters for the prices of coins is OK but not if your interested in only a small amount of coins.
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Keep in mind that when using the RedBook as a guide they do not go into detail , Full bands on Merc's or fullsteps on jeffersons ,toning and other market qualifiers .

RedBook can be extremely low when other factors are taken into account .

while I collect PROOF sets from the mint on a yearly basis , I spend most of my time on single coins and build my own MINT sets and look for the market rarities.
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