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Potosi Broken Castle Appears On NGC MS-63 1777 PR 8 Reales

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 Posted 05/21/2020  2:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You personally VISITED?! Great pic, John.

Older pillar punch - RARE coins today!!

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By the way, before I forget... saw this while perusing the 1782s:

One the one piece, the effect clearly is only present on the lower R castle... but on BOTH in the other example!!

Hard to tell exactly from the small pic, but I could believe the 2nd piece is a bit low in silver.
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 Posted 05/21/2020  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jfransch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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In October of 2018 my son and I spent 3 weeks in South America and while there visited the Lima National Numismatic Museum, the Numismatic display in the Cuzco Museum, the Quito National Numismatic Museum and the Bogota National Numismatic Museum.
All were very interesting. The Quito museum was a challenge to get into, the government had the central city area on lockdown because of some political event that was taking place and our guide we had hired specifically to get us to that museum had to beg and plead for them to let the two idiot Americans past the barricades and then again at the door to get them to open up for us. We had the whole museum to ourselves (museum host, our guide, my son and I)
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 Posted 05/23/2020  03:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, hey, you're the idiots that got the private tour!!

Glad you enjoyed - sounds like a great trip!! And good that you got it in before crazytimes descended...
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First, thanks for letting me comment. Two things I'd like to add. I have seen coins with two broken Lion's tail punches, one broken lion's tail and no broken tails. I wonder if this would be helpful. The fact that the same broken tail punch occurs with the broken castle leades me to believe that some of the broken castle coins must be genuine

Additionally, I should think that a person has to be one of the top Mexican coin authenticators in the world to be able to look at an 8 Real and claim to know it is genuine and in spec. and I'll bet even the ten top guys are not correct 100% of the time. Counterfeit coins have become too deceptive. Someone needs to go into the old collections in museums that were assessed prior to 1965 and examine those coins in every way possible. That would be a good start.
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afewmorecents I agree that more study is needed.

There are two issues that I need to restate simply.

1. Any coin whether made in a mint or by a private party that is Fraudulent by virtue of metal content - should be so identified. When Riddell identified the Good and Bad Dollars of the World in 1839 - 1845 that was his criteria. That is the criteria of the US mint. Therefore that is my criteria.

2. Any coin made without proper legal authority, even if it contains the correct amount of metal is Counterfeit. That is also a US mint standard.

Regarding broken lion tails, I have not specifically studied those but do they occur on coins over as long a period as the Broken Castles.



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