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1881 Indian Head Cent ( NGC Determined " Unsuitable For Certification.""

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 Posted 05/02/2020  7:36 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Nativearapaho to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This coin of mine was posted on the forum here some time ago by a companion of mine. I recently submitted it to NGC, but this specimen has been a challenge for all. I believe it to have been restruck multiple times.
Liberty, of the head dress, flows out, forward and in front of the primary. Never really breaking off. Sure, one must bring themselves to look beneath the surface on this coin to see, experience it's lessons, but not completely. If you'll allow yourself to only focus on LIBERTY of the head dress, I can only hope the expertise you possess can answer, should I now submit this iconic coin, irony an all, to PCGS?
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05/02/2020 7:37 pm
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 Posted 05/02/2020  7:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see no evidence of a double strike, much less a multiple strike. Obverse appears to have been coated with a foreign substance which is now flaking off. Reverse shows PMD, ED, and some possible effort to alter the surfaces. Not a mint-struck coin in this condition. Waste of money to resubmit this coin to PCGS.
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 Posted 05/02/2020  7:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Can't get a read on this one without clearer pics. All I am currently seeing is a good amount of PMD and ED. Definitely a Details coin.
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 Posted 05/02/2020  7:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coinfrog beat me to it
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 Posted 05/02/2020  8:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With respect, this is a POS Frankenstein mess.
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 Posted 05/02/2020  8:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Nativearapaho to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coinfrog, your a gentleman and a class act. Thanks for your knowledge. Ty2020b, thanks for your time and attention.
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 Posted 05/02/2020  9:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wait a minute!! You sent this coin to NGC? And of course they would reject it and you want to send it to PCGS? I really think you should!!

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 Posted 05/02/2020  10:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slider23 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with Frog PMD. No value in sending to PCGS.
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 Posted 05/03/2020  08:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiepb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also agree with Coinfrog - Do not waste your money sending it to PCGS.
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 Posted 05/03/2020  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And I agree with everyone who has agreed with coinfrog . Just keep as a conversation piece .
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 Posted 05/03/2020  12:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot frog...
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 Posted 05/03/2020  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wideglide to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Even if they do somehow grade it, it's going to come back as PR-1, and a value of 1 cent.
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 Posted 05/03/2020  1:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fenton to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Give it a long bath in acetone, hit it with some verdigris, and then keep it in your pocket with some other change for a few years. Might wear it down to a normal looking coin hehe. As it stands though, yeah no value.
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 Posted 05/04/2020  1:40 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just a hole filler.
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