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New Mexico State Quarter Die Break?

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 Posted 11/05/2008  01:05 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cm_potts to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Okay.. New here, got a New Mexico State Quarter with some kinda bubble looking things on the edge of the drawing of the state: top right side, below and in between the 1 and 9, then 2 smaller ones on the bottom middle of the state. Let me know what you think, I appreciate the input :)

New-Mexico-State-Quarter-Die-Break? New-Mexico-State-Quarter-Die-Break? New-Mexico-State-Quarter-Die-Break?
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 Posted 11/05/2008  02:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xshift to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I hope someone else can see what you're referring to, because the pictures are just too small for me to see Happen to have any larger ones?

And welcome to the forums
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 Posted 11/05/2008  06:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
every thing that xshift said.

My eyes are not that good.
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 Posted 11/05/2008  07:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cm_potts to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll try to take some better ones, my lighting stinks, haven't seen the sun in almost 2 days!
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 Posted 11/05/2008  09:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just small die chips from what little I can see. Nothing to get excited about.
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 Posted 11/05/2008  10:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cm_potts to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay.. here are some bigger photos in my photobucket. Notice how the biggest blob thing has a line, but the other one doesn't, it's kind of like a bubble which is what's making it so hard to take pictures of! There are 2 small ones on the bottom but forget about those for now I can't get them to come up on my camera because they're like small bubbles as well!

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v...amicc/coins/
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 Posted 11/05/2008  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add livingdinasaur to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cm_potts, I only see a die chip, nothing more. I look for die cracks, as that is one of my "likes", but I see nothing else. Welcome to the forum!
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 Posted 11/07/2008  09:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cm_potts to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you guys for your help... I do have another question, what exactly are die chips? how do they occur? I'm asking because I'm curious to know if it's possible to have them in the same spot(s) on another coin
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 Posted 11/07/2008  12:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Die chips can occur when a die starts to wear out and develops stress fractures. Basically, small portions of the steel die face chip off at the stress point. Dies chips can also occur due to a mechanical failure in the minting process but they are usually indistinguishable from fatigue chips which occur much more often. Some die designs have inherent weak points where die chips will continually develop. Look at the BIE wheat cents which were prevalent in the 50s but also occur with many other dates. A chip continually developed on dies between the B and E of LIBERTY, giving the "appearance" of an I between the letters. The complex plant designs of the Oklahoma and Arizona State Quarters have also contributed to multiple die chips.

Taking it one step further, you can also develop die breaks and Cuds. A die break forms from the expansion of a die crack and is usually quite noticeable without any magnification. Breaks are generally much larger than chips and they tend to be more collectible. As an example, a die crack will not be enough for a VAM classification on a Morgan but many die breaks are listed as VAMs. A Cud is a specific type of die break- one that affects the shank and face of a die. A Cud will have the appearance of a large blob of "extra metal" at the rim of a coin extending across the field and a point of weakness on the opposite side of the coin. There is no actual extra metal involved though, the coin is formed between two die surfaces and when part of that surface is missing, the planchet flows to fill that void in the die and the weakness occurs because there is not complete opposing pressure on that part of the coin so it is not fully struck. Cuds are very collectible and the larger they are, the more valuable they are.

Many times, die chips are called " Cuds" but in reality, they are not the same thing at all. This confusion arises from a lack of knowledge and persistent misuse of nomenclature. Die chips are common, Cuds have value.
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 Posted 11/07/2008  12:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cm_potts to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you biokemist, that was very helpful! I had been wondering because I now have 2 New Mexico quarters with similar marks (die chips) and have seen similar ones being auctioned on ebay.
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