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Do Stains On 1974 Cent Bring The Grade Down?

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If so by how much, what grade with and without the stains?

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It's a damaged coin.
The damage does not reduce the grade, it renders it ungradeable.
"Dipping" is not considered cleaning...
-from PCGS website
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"ungradeable" now that's interesting, I thought it would maybe get a lower grade.
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The portrait-side stains leave it very close to a "details" coin, imo.
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If the staining has damaged to coin, yes, the value will be lower.
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Doubled forehead, nose, chin, throat ?
Grade-wise, probably MS-60-61.
Value
With the stains - 2 cents.

With the stains and doubling - 2 cents.

Without the stains - I want to say 2 cents since there are millions of 1974 cents in people's stashes that are much better.

Without the stains and with doubling - mmm..uuuh.. maybe, on a good day, in a good place mmmm.... 25 cents. I've sold low value coins such as this (better looking) on ebay for 20 years (wait, that's tried to sell) for as little as 25 cents and they DO NOT SELL, even with 25 cents combined shipping.
Simply, it's a keeper. If it was the first I found, I would have kept it until I found a better one, just to have one. I was keeping every stupid little error I came across in the last 50 years. Too many, TOO MANY. I was sure they would make me rich when I retired - wrong .
Don't believe the coin value lists about these kind of errors - if it's not a beautiful coin, it won't sell. Remember, crazy collectors like me have been pulling these from circulation since they were new 46 years ago.
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Thanks for all the input and info.
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Show the coin with a different light angle... water stains are hugely annoying on small cents especially in the 1970s through to the late 1990s, especially from the late 1980s to mid 1990s. But, they are not damage and they really only impact the grade with respect to eye-appeal, ICCS will generally tolerate them.

I think some of this is how the planchets were handled either prior to, or after, the strike. This means that these coins are leaving the mint, with water stains on them. Case in point, I still have not found a nice 1989 cent, that does not have water stains.

https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/eliz...170892&h=pop

1985 is another frustrating year with water stains
https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/eliz...165770&h=pop

1982 is hit and miss
https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/eliz...170871&h=pop

1991 is another year crazy with water stains
https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/eliz...170898&h=pop

I went through an entire mint-wrapped (sealed) box of 1995 1-cent coins (50 rolls). Even after 50 rolls, my very best example _still_ had light water stains on it (it is the MS-66 example here):
https://www.PCGS.com/valueview/eliz...170907&h=pop
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You can also see that on the reverse of your coin, it was a struck by a hammer die nearing the end of its life, excessive polishing has resulted in "filling" the deepest recesses of the leaves (highest points inside the devices on the die have been polished die a bit)... this is a common phenomena seen on coins from 1962 right through to 1979.
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Boy I can't believe that some of those coins made MS66 and 65
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The staining is not corrosion (well, not like a green or black spot). Some of those are almost perfect, but suffer from eye-appeal, so MS-66 is really hard to get from PCGS for those years.
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