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Could This Be Something Like A "Die Fissure" On My Nova Scotia Token?

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Look at the gash on poor Ms. Commerce's extended right arm!

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Under 15x the defect is a little ragged with respect to depth, but the edges seem too uniform for what we might typically call a "gouge." I'm inclined to rule out the term "scratch" because it's so wide, and none of it extends at all into the token's fields as you would expect of something this dramatic. The gaping wound is very precisely limited to the width of the arm, and only the arm...no other evidence of violence.

You can also see a faint crack along the lower edge of her arm between the elbow, roughly speaking, and the bottom of her sleeve.

So, could this all be an artifact of the minting process? Maybe a heating/cooling thing? Annealing/tempering? Have you seen others like it in this series? Any ideas?

For the record, it's Charlton NS-19A1, Breton 963, and Withers 1655.

Thanks for looking, and for any input!
Tom

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 Posted 05/14/2020  5:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
strike thru?
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strike through was my initial thought as well,

very nicely struck token, shame about the discoloration on the rev
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Could be a plain old gash on the coin, but I can't dismiss the possibility of a strike-through (?a short piece of wire?) or even a small lamination failure in this case.

If a lamination failure, it could have been caused by a small liquid impurity (?oil?) interfering with the rolling process, and a small flake of coin falling off, not long after the token was struck.

It would be good for another poster to add some credence to one of these theories.

BTW, a rather nice copper token!

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Strike-through is a VERY persuasive suspect, I think, now that I've studied the token some more under the glass.

If you've ever been in a metalworking shop where any kind of stamping, cutting, or especially lathe work is done, you've seen the "tailings" that are all over the place. Thanks to your suggestions, I'm now envisioning something like that, no thicker than a piece of yarn, resulting in this sort of flaw, all at once causing both the gash and the up-the-arm micro-crevice.

The lamination theory works for me also, as that piece of Commerce's arm does look like it could flake upward toward the viewer and then off the planchet altogether. Gotta admit that I'm awfully ignorant on that topic, however, and I've always associated lamination in general with some striation that's more overtly a pre-strike phenomenon in the flan rather than something caused by or during the strike itself. (I hasten to concede here that the emphasis in that last sentence should definitely be on the word "ignorant.") Any metallurgists out there?

I agree it's a lovely piece, definitely somewhere on the MS continuum. And Wade, the mottled effect you noticed is actually luster, producing in these images the lighter shades of color seen in blotches on both sides. My scanner never captures that properly, alas.

Wash your hands, everybody!

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--- Mario Andretti


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I would think it's likely a strike through. Loving the detailed responses on this one - ie. learning a lot!
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