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1792 2-Sols France Off Center Double Strick And Rotated

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I came across this double struck 1792 2-Sols, second strike is approximately 15% off center and 160 degrees rotated. Is this a common event for this coin?

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That's quite spectacular, but these coins were struck very hurriedly during a time of high inflation and major disruption, so quality control at the mints was not brilliant.

Until quite recently, errors like this were virtually ignored by French collectors, who would prefer to have a perfectly-struck specimen!

Is the greeny-blue substance on the reverse old verdigris or more recent vinyl deposit?
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It is old verdigris, this is what the reverse looked like before an acetone soak and Verdi-care treatment. The obverse did not have any verdigris.

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Most commonly found in very worn condition.
All of it's value is derived from the fact that it is double struck.

With the verdigris being on on side only my thought is that it has been a slightly damp environment and forgotten about for a long time.

Verdigris can be passivated but if it was my coin, I would be doing a considerable amount of keyboard based research before taking any action.
The first place I would head for would be museums, and what they have been able to achieve in the preservation of copper and bronze objects.
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I collect coins of the Duchy of Lorraine (which became part of France in the mid-1700s), and earlier in the 18th century, it is common to find larger silver coins (testons)which are re-used ("reforme") and struck again several years later, often with only a date change. Rotation is common, as is some degree of off-center, but I have never seen one struck with this degree of off-center. Here is an example: https://www.ma-shops.com/saive/item.php?id=2542

These are not considered errors, since it was a standard mint practice, and varieties which have only been struck once ("flan neuf") command a premium, as mentioned by @NumisRob.

So, one way to answer your question is yes, this kind of thing is common on certain 18th century French silver coins, BUT if I look at the details on yours, I tend to think it is a true double strike, rather than a re-used planchet.
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