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First Time Submitting For Grade...experiences?

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 Posted 06/07/2020  09:42 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add WeBeRolling to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello All, I am looking to send in a Morgan dollar for grading, this will be my first time submitting for a grade. I am hoping to receive a higher grade possibly DMPL (from my other post of an 1881 S) I guess my question is who should I go with? Is one more likely to grade higher or DMPL? Has anyone had any experience trying both companies with the same coin,maybe a resubmission for a higher or lower grade when it came back. Looking forward to seeing what you all have to say. Thanks in advance!
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 Posted 06/07/2020  10:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We'll need pics to help.
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 Posted 06/07/2020  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know for the material that I collect one is consistently higher, and while I might have a sticker that says 65 the market will treat it like a 63 (because everyone knows they grade higher than what is deserved)

Personally I don't have anything graded, let alone re-submitting hoping to catch them asleep. I would rather spend my money on coins than little plastic coffins.
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06/07/2020 11:07 am
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 Posted 06/07/2020  11:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WeBeRolling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coinfrog, I am referring to my original post which you replied on, I have copied the link below with pics and if anyone wants to chime in on the condition again that's great. I'm just being hesitant about doing it.

http://goccf.com/t/375553
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 Posted 06/07/2020  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WeBeRolling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wade, I have similar feelings about grading and slabs and do like to spend my money on raw coins as well which is why I was asking for opinions. take a look at the coin in the link below and let me know what you think. Thanks!

http://goccf.com/t/375553
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 Posted 06/07/2020  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WeBeRolling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Some of the replies on my original post have made me hesitant, and I know it's hard to know for sure from pictures, but I have put this coin under the microscope and don't see signs of cleaning but I'm just not 100%. I would only be in the coin for about $100 after grading so if it does come back cleaned or polished I could still probably make a CPL bucks with it being so pretty lol.
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 Posted 06/07/2020  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wideglide to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a beautiful coin for sure. But it's not a great date/mm as far as $ goes (actually one of the lowest). Now if you hit the TPG lottery, and got a 67 or 68, that would be another story. Personally, I think I might take the gamble.
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 Posted 06/07/2020  3:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If you're going to sub it, I'd try NGC first. then PCGS. Then ANACS.
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 Posted 06/07/2020  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WeBeRolling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wideglide, thanks for the input inreally do appreciate it. Yeah I know it's not the best date/mm but maybe it'd hit high on a good day from a grader. I'm just going to have do send it off lol. Thanks again!
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 Posted 06/07/2020  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WeBeRolling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
suipakpaikungfu thanks for the input as well. That's exactly what I was thinking also. NGC first and hopefully that'll be all it takes. I like the way they grade but we'll see. Thanks again.
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 Posted 06/07/2020  8:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Imo, NGC is the best technical grader. If you can get a DMPL from them, IT IS!
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I"m sticking to my first assessment of the coin being polished, so not worth sending in to any TPG ( I'll be waiting to say I told you so ).

BUT, if you're going to do it, It's a tossup on who to send it to. As Joe Schmo, and not a big name guy, I'd say NGC will be a bit more conservative/technical, just my opinion.
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 Posted 06/08/2020  12:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WeBeRolling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ty2020b I do hope you are wrong, and for my financial benefit (no offense meant) I hope I can come back on here and say I told you so as in it's not polished. I do see points where it looks like some of the edges of the devices are shinier. After your comment on my original post about DMPL I looked into the "orange peel" look and you'd be surprised by some NGC members takes on the subject. A good number of highly graded proof gold and silver coins have the "orange peel" look in the fields. It is from the metal flowing or the annealing process of the planchet, but most articles or posts I read said the orange peel look is a good thing on proofs and special strikes. The devices have almost all the detail of a perfect strike so I'm going to send it off. We'll see lol. Thanks again!
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The surfaces appear to have been manipulated, just as Ty2020 pointed out. The devices such as the stars and the date should have, and once did have, the same amount of frost as the portrait.
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No offense taken, and none given! Just putting in my opinion.

As stated, the big indicator is the polishing carried into the devices. There is a loss of detail in the dentils, stars, lettering, they appear rounded from the polishing ( see attached comparison).

Another concern is the reverse fields. There appear to be contact marks that have been polished over. Any contact marks, even on a mirror like finish will reflect/refract light differently. This is not the case in the circles areas in the pics I posted of your coin. More signs of being polished.

Again, just my opinions! Eager to see the results!
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 Posted 06/08/2020  8:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add WeBeRolling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you again I really appreciate all the replies and comments, it's a lot of fun learning the new terms and definitions as well as key points to look for in the future. Thanks everyone.
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