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 Is there anyone interested in viewing "in hand" a counterfeit Canadian 1899 half dollar, EF-40. It's an item I've purchased from a seller in China several months ago. The likeness to the real item is remarkable, which I also own in the same grade. (coincidence?) Bear in mind, I went out looking to buy this counterfeit (replica) on purpose:to educate myself. I figure if the Chinese are counterfeiting my favourite toothpaste (Colgate); it won't be long before they counterfeit my favourite coins!  I sincerely feel that it is highly important that everyone make themselves aware of what a counterfeit Canadian coin looks and feels like. If I can save one collector somewhere down the road from being victimized, it will be worth my effort. Impossible to explain in type and a photo is certainly not like a hands on experience. This will give anyone a heads up what to look for the next time you are contiplating buying a questionable item. If interested, I'm willing to send "ANYONE" this counterfeit half dollar free of charge via regular post. However, the only thing I ask is that you don't keep it for more than one week and you return it to me so I may do the same to help out another collector. I'm going to limit this offer only to residents living in Canada as a result of having experienced lost mail. If you agree and are interested please contact me via on-site e-mail or personal e-mail to: glenpinto@rogers.com Glenn Edited by glenzy1
02/17/2010 04:24 am
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That's a very nice offer  too bad I live in California. I could've taken some nicely detailed photos for the forums--I do a half-decent job. Anyway, if that's not possible I might ask: is the coin die-struck or cast? Is the composition/weight similar to the real coin? Thanks! |
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Quote:It's an item I've purchased from a seller in China several months ago. That's is one of the biggest red flags that I would have caught.  Sorry to here about that.
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Glenn, GREAT post.
Do you think this fraud would pass ICCS?
Can you post pics?
Marc
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Hi  , As a follow up, this counterfeit as well as any known counterfeit currently would never get past Brian and Scott @ I.C.C.S. They teach courses on how to detect counterfeit's, plus once in hand any semi-advanced collector can easily tell the difference between a replica and an authentic piece.  As far as posting pics, I'm new at this site and I don't know how. Perhaps I'll get my teen sons to help me? However, for a newbie to this hobby, ouch , it would be devastating! Glenn Edited by glenzy1
11/13/2008 07:38 am
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Kurt, in answer to your question is the coin cast, or die-struck, I will say, without having seen the coin, that it is diepstruck. the reason I say that is because I read just recently, some very extensive material on this very subject, and the pictures show a series of presses, most are screw-type, or hydraulic. the material was provided by a Chinese who either worked there, or investigated it. Counterfeiting is ILLEGAL in China, but creating "Replicas", is not. where do you draw the line?
Dick
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Dear KURTS, your the only member to have any interest in viewing this 'Replica' coin! Send me your address and I'll mail out the 1899 Canadian half dollar, EF-40, coin to you.
Glenn
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I would love to see the coin, as well. I have a number of the Chinese counterfeits of Dollar sized coins from all over, and small coins- 5, 10, 20 cent silvers that are counterfeits. Most of them that I have seen are a wierd type of metal alloy that gives a ring, but not the silver ring,and theior colour is mnot quite right for silver. They have beem cast, as they show some surface problems, often in inconspicuous areas, and problems with the rims. They can be quite realistic to people who don't know the real thing. I have not seen the copies of Canadian coins, and would like to.
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Does anyone have images of recent coin counterfiets that come from circulation such as loonie and toonie? Thanks for you post Glenn. Australia is a bit far to send the coin. :-)
Wayne
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If you go to ebay, there is some Chinese replicas of Canadian coins listed. The are marked "Replica", so ebay permits their sale. This 1936 dot penny is clearly a counterfeit. The little bits of the die broken away between "A" and "D" in Canada give it away. The dot under 1936 seems a bit too pronounced and possibly miscentered. http://cgi.ebay.com/Replica-1936-Do...ns_W0QQitemZ250395663704QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item 250395663704&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72:1215|66:2|65:12|39:1|240:1318 Edited by 1945V
03/26/2009 08:47 am
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"is the coin cast, or die-struck" The "replica" Canadian coins from China are struck with dies that were made using the cast process (i.e., cast dies). They are fairly easy to spot on ebay and even easier when you have them in hand. However, I have seen a US coin that was made this way, and it was a lot tougher to discern - requiring 10x magnification to do so. The US replica had crisp lines and proper luster. The Canadian replicas are poorly made in comparison. |
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Does anyone have images of recent coin counterfiets that come from circulation such as loonie and toonie? Thanks for you post Glenn. Australia is a bit far to send the coin. :-) I've got pics around here somewhere of the counterfeit toonie that made it's way around. I also managed to pick a few up out of circulation, too.  |
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the latest issue of Canadian Coin News has the first in a series of articles on this subject, what to look for when trying to spot a fake etc.
might be worth checking out
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Tropher, regarding the counterfeit toonie, about how many did you have to go through to find one?
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There was a news story not long ago about a loonie and toonie counterfeiting operation in quebec that was shut down. Anyone have a link for that thread on the counterfeit $2?
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regarding the counterfeit toonie, about how many did you have to go through to find one? Surprisingly not a lot. It was the first time I ever bought a box of Toonies. (I had only previously searched the odd roll here or there.) I managed to find a few in that box, but all scattered among different rolls. I took one back to the teller to educate her and she was fascinated by it. Of course, I kept it. |
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