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1917 S Buffalo Nickel...grading Opinions

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 Posted 06/16/2020  10:54 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Not mine, just thinking of picking it up. I'm thinking AU53 on this one. Thoughts?
1917-S-Buffalo-Nickel...grading-Opinions
1917-S-Buffalo-Nickel...grading-Opinions
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 Posted 06/16/2020  10:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll say EF-45, most attractive.
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 Posted 06/16/2020  12:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
XF45 to AU50.

Very nice coin!
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 Posted 06/16/2020  12:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add IndianGoldEagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Horn is a little flat but the tail is split. Not seeing any luster AU-50.
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 Posted 06/16/2020  3:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm with OP , AU-53 very nice coin . If the price is right ,grab it before someone else does .
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Yes! What they said . . .
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the flatness of the fur on the head, back and horn are from a weak strike. I can put this in the AU53 bucket easily and I'm at AU55 on this one based on the sharpness of the obverse which has strong lettering, good feather separation and detail as well as the overall look of the surfaces and devices. hopefully fortcollins see's this one and comments. I always like to compare my notes to his
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 Posted 06/16/2020  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add fortcollins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yowza!

There are four elements to a superb Buffalo nickel:
Matching die states with an early die state obverse and reverse. Check.
Strong strike. Half check.
Minimal clashing and resulting die polishing. Check.
High grade. Check

The obverse is EDS, and the reverse is EMDS.

For a 1917-S, the strike is better than average. Note the complete rachis and calamus on the second feather and the strong date and complete ribbons. Note the exceptional detail on the first feather, reflecting the stronger peripheral strike. On the reverse, note the strong peripheral lettering, complete separation of "F" of FIVE and "S" of CENTS from the rim, the solid mint mark, and clarity of the ground. The central devices are a bit weaker. For a 1917-S, wow.

There is minimal evidence of die clashing, with some clashing evident in EPU and above the buffalo's head (the second feather clash). Very little die polishing has occurred, mainly at the tip of the second feather and top of the buffalo's head.

In terms of technical grade, on the obverse, there is clear separation of the hair from the cheek and forehead, solid detail at the eye, nose, and chin, and deep separation of the hair strands above the knot. The wear on the knot, ribbon, hair, and feathers is consistent with AU-55. On the reverse, the eye, beard, and neck are strong. There is over 75% of the hair on the upper back, and about half on the buffalo's head, the latter slightly affected by the clash polishing. The sinews on the rear legs are visible, and the tail is split, though not bold. There is modest wear on the horn and flank. The reverse would also snag AU-55. The blended grade would naturally be AU-55.

There are a few noticeable contact marks, especially the SW-NE gash on the buffalo's side. These are grade-appropriate.

TPGs do not generally adjust upward for matching die state and lack of clash polishing, but they should. The strike is above average for 1917-S, but not enough to entice a TPG to bump the grade. The resulting TPG grade would be a straight AU-55. I wonder whether CAC might see AU-55 as an undergrade?

All in all, a really nice 1917-S. This is a "buy it now" moment, if the price isn't out of line. It's a great coin.
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 Posted 06/16/2020  10:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all who replied. As always, my hats off to FC for the in depth play by play! It was priced at $185
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