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i sent this in to one of the "big 4" grading companys and they graded it but some people that have seen it don't agree so tell me what you guys think it is and then ill tell you what they called it and what some other coin dealers have called it . this is why I get really confused with this grading company stuff. thanks colleen    |
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Pillar of the Community
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Looks like a 1910S Lincoln Cent in F15 with retained struck through metal fragments. Edited by coppercoins
11/12/2008 4:56 pm
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thats what other dealers have said and that the metal is gold fragments they put a drop of liquid on it to verify that is was gold .
so is the anacs right or is it something else I'm just a little confused when you get different input and you seem to really know what your talking about so thanks
colleen
anacs said vg10 improperly alloyed fragments
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I would have labeled it the way Chuck did, retained, struck through metal fragments.
As far as ANACS, I wouldn't say that they are 100% off base though. They acknowledge that they are fragments of an alloy and although not on the slab, they are obviously retained. Note that they didn't say, improperly mixed alloy fragments.
It would have been better if they had noted that it was a "struck through" type of situation but with many graders if you don't ask for an error designation of some sort, you don't get it noted on the slab.
Thanks,
Bill
Edited by foundinrolls
11/12/2008 8:23 pm
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thank for that info I just get confused sometimes with the different things you hear
colleen
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I would really love to see the interest it might generate if the retained metal was labeled on the slab as gold if so determined. Gold melts 20 degrees C lower than copper and readily forms billon, so in order to get this appearance it seem like it would have to settle on the planchet before striking. Interesting Colleen!
Jim
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Yeah my bad, I said billon above which is more commonly copper and silver, rather than just say gold and copper mixes wellin an alloy. Went to a meeting and realized my error when it got very boring  I do know that a minor number of authors call any precious metal with mainly copper "billon", but didn't seem to fit. Sorry, Jim |
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And they are off-base on the grade too. It's a F coin any way you slice it - 12 or 15, but definitely not VG. Too much detail.
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I don't think these are struck-in fragments since there is no fissure surrounding them. They are most likely intrinsic to the planchet, probably rolled in. They are all elongated and aligned in the same direction, presumably the same direction as the "grain" of the planchet. They could also be a reflection of a poorly mixed alloy or an intrinsic metallic inclusion that settled at the top of the molten ingot before rolling began. If they really are gold flecks, then scenario #1 would be most likely. They were possibly picked up from a roller.
Error coin writer and researcher.
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I'd love to put that in an SEM-EDXRF to determine the composition of the fragments.
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