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What Is This ? 1863 Indian

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is this what they call a counter stamp or something?

thanks
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 Posted 11/13/2008  07:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Counterstamp. Someone punched the digits into the coin after it left the mint. These generally sell for a few dollars over the value of a normal coin for collectors of such things. They are NOT valueless even though they are numismatically damaged. I have a few hundred of them, mostly ones I found in bags and rolls, and mostly Lincoln cents.
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 Posted 11/13/2008  07:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A nice counterstamp especially with the fancy digits.
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what is a counterstamp ? why would they do that ?
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Most people would call it a counterstamp, I just call it damage.

There are counterstamps, contermarks, and damage or mutilation.

A counterstamp is something punched into the coin to advertise a person, place, event,or thing. The punching has a definite meaning or purpose.

A countermark is a stamping into a coin or token, usually by a government, to establish its value. Typically through revaluing older coins or by making coins of another country to make them current circulating tender in that country. Businesses will also sometimes do this stamping foreign coins, obsolete tokens, or tokens of other establishments in order to mark them as being acceptable in their place of business.

Then there are just random punches of letters, numbers, or symbols that have no apparent definite meaning. This is just damage. From time to time research will detemine that one of these apparently randon punches does have a specific meaning which will turn it into a counterstamped piece, but that very seldom happens and the vast majority of coins with random things punched into them is just damage.

The problem is that as the collecting of counterstamps has become more "acceptable" dealers are starting to put silly prices on any coin that has a random letter or number punched into it and call it a counterstamp, or even worse an "Unlisted Counterstamp" and slapping a high price on it. (Take a worn coin worth a dollar, stamp a letter into it, call it an unlisted counterstamp, and slap a $25 price tag on it.)
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Condor:
I agree, fully.
There is a lot of stupid stuff out there.
And, in the same vein, have you seen the silly prices being asked for Love Tokens lately?
Those prices are also getting out of hand.
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