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1875-S 20 Cents - Error Or Just Wishful Thinking?

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 Posted 11/10/2008  5:12 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
While looking at this coin, I noticed what I believe is a partial circle in the denticles below the eight in the date, and a small line in the denticles below the seven so I did a quick scan to post it her and get some answers. Can you see it? Is it an error, or am I seeing something that's not even there? If it is an error - is it pretty common on older coins? - what type of error is it?

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1875-S-20-Cents---Error-Or-Just-Wishful-Thinking?

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1875-S-20-Cents---Error-Or-Just-Wishful-Thinking?
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 Posted 11/10/2008  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It sure looks like a MPD!
Nice, congrats.
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 Posted 11/10/2008  11:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What I'm seeing here resembles MPDs in denticles on IHCs
Anyone here heard why this was done? One theory was to test the hardness of the dies.
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 Posted 11/10/2008  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks TreasHunt, but what does MPD stand for? I looked it up in the glossary here on the forum, but it's not listed under the M heading - not that familar with errors of any kind, so I'm truly a novice in that area.

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 Posted 11/11/2008  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I tried but I don't see it....that is not to say there is nothing there. I just don't see anything.

Sorry,
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 Posted 11/11/2008  10:38 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't see anything either, and when I blow up the image there is too much digital artifacting going on to see anything. Not saying there isn't something there, just that I can't see it with those images.
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 Posted 11/11/2008  10:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bill, Conder - Look in the center of the dark spots between the two denticles due south of the 8. Not in the field, but up on the denticles. I agree, MPD...but it's not an error - it's a die variety.
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There may be something there in the denticals under the 8, but I'd still like to see a better image.
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 Posted 11/11/2008  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
And there might be some other digits in the denticles too. The 7 would be pretty distinctive.
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Condor - my old printer/scanner is crowding up on 5 years old, and it doesn't scan so well, but I've posted as good a scan as I can of the denticle area. Hope this helps.

Ralph

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KurtS - as I stated in my original post - there is a small line in the dark area between the denticles just below the 7. I'm assuming this is the top of the 7. Sorry for the poor quality of the scans, but that's the best I can get.

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Ralph:
MPD= MisPlaced Date.
In this instance in the reeding, to everyone who can't see it:

Look directly under the 8 near the bottom of the reeds.
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 Posted 11/11/2008  5:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ralph, yes--I thought I saw something there as well, but I understand it's tough to capture these details on a scanner.
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 Posted 11/12/2008  03:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Chuck, I see what you guys are seeing.

Bill
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 Posted 11/12/2008  03:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ralph to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Guys, thanks for the information.
You guys that handle lots of coins probably see this quite often, but it's a first for me. I found it on a coin that I have in my hand! :)
I'm not concerned about resale value (I collect for just me..the pleasure I get from it) but I am curious as to whether this is something that happened alot back in the day when everything was done by hand.

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 Posted 11/12/2008  06:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TreasHunt to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ralph:
You may want to contact Coin World, Collector's Clearing House, to see if they want to show it.
I don't remember seeing an MPD (mis-placed date) on a 20 cent piece before.
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