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Denmark 2 Skilling 1715 K4 Underweight-Why?

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This weighs 0.6 gram, it should weigh 1.1 gram (impure silver).
per Numista the diameter should be 16.1 mm; this is 15mm.

So the question is, why is it underweight? A counterfeit or just an extra thin version that is also worn?
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I'm going with a thin planchet.

The theoretical density or SG of a coin that is supposed to be 36.5% silver (presumably the rest is copper or bronze) is about 9.4. Copper and bronze (presumably what a counterfeit would be made from?) are only about 5-6% lower than this. So if someone makes a counterfeit of about the right thickness, you can't get down to 0.6 g (the lower diameter accounts for an additional 14% lower weight, which still only gets us down to about 0.85 g).
The degree of detail could also be consistent with a thin planchet that gives a weak strike all over, rather than wear.

Maybe someone else who knows coins from this period better can give some insights.

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@oriole, consider reaching out here: https://www.danskmoent.dk . I have found them super-helpful in the past with my questions about medieval Danish coins.
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@Spence, thanks. I emailed that website and I will let everyone know what they have to say.
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@spence, just for your information, I never got a reply or acknowledgement from that website. So maybe not the go-to place at the moment.
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Ok hmm, sorry about that. If I find another resource for you, I'll be sure to update this thread.
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Hi oriole, I hope I can help at least a little. The last two years I'd been collecting and learning about Danish coins and history, mostly because my birthplace is on formerly Danish territory.
I have a 1715 twoskilling as well:

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My coin weights 0,79 g, so it is underweight, too. But this is nothing to worry about. Definitely no counterfeit. I learned that most Danish catalogs provide information on the weight of a coin based on legal regulations that time, i.e. our coins "should" weight exactly 1,106 g with 0,329 silver. In 1715 not (never!) realistic to achieve this accuracy. And, by the way, it was a nice trick for the mint to gain extra silver!
The mint for our coin was not Kopenhagen, but Glückstadt. The mint master was Christopher Woltereck (CW-mintmark).

I hope I have contributed something useful,
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One more thing, I made a picture from my Danish "Sieg"-catalog 2018:

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You can see in the pictures that there's a slightly smaller version existing, so don't worry about the diameter, too.
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Hi oriole, it would be nice to hear from you whether my answer helped you or not, yours
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