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Down Another Rabbit Hole: This Time It's Ancient Pottery

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Well, I've developed a new collecting focus: ancient pottery. Not sure how it happened - I've been wearing a protective mask and washing my hands regularly, after all. (I hope the moderators will be patient with me. While the items here are not coins, they do relate to the "ancient" theme that, along with medieval, defines this corner of CCF's site. Besides, a fair number of ancient coin collectors also collect antiquities - the hobbies are related.)

Years ago, I owned a few modest examples of ancient pottery, but sold them off. So, really, this is a revived rather than truly new interest. Unlike my collections of ancient coins and weaponry, this group will not be confined to material from ancient Iran and its environs. However, having said that, I admit that my favorite acquisition thus far (see below) is, indeed, from the same geographical and historical context as many of my weapons: NW Iran from about three thousand years ago: c. 12th - 10th century BC. Making this piece even more special is the fact that it is from the Arthur M. Sackler Collection and is ex-Sotheby's. For those who may not know, Sackler was one of the United States' most preeminent and prolific collectors of Asian and ancient art. I fondly remember spending lots of time in the Sackler Museum at Harvard in the mid-1980's. I've also enjoyed a few visits to the Sackler Gallery at the Smithsonian in D.C. over the years. So, the "Ex-Sackler Collection" designation for one of my pottery pieces is significant. To me it's as meaningful as the "Ex-David Sellwood Collection" labels attached to some of my Parthian coins.

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Near Eastern Vessel
NW Iran
12th - 10th century BC
13.97 cm (w) x 15.24 cm (h)
(5.5" x 6")
Description:
Carinated jug with loop handle, rim flake, otherwise intact.
Ex-Arthur M. Sackler Collection

Caveat emptor(!) definitely applies for those who may want to venture into this collecting area: As one legit seller has posted on his site: "The most popular antiquities are often the most widely faked: Egyptian (almost everything), Greek pottery, Roman lamps and glass are good examples. Fakes are detected through experience, research and analysis. Many are instantly recognisable to the experienced collector, but others are not. There are probably now as many fake items in circulation as genuine ones!"

While some may disagree with his last statement there, I strongly suspect his assessment is correct. Clearly, it is a collecting area fraught with challenges. Relying on vetting by trusted, experienced sellers is important. Seeking well-provenanced material is smart. Most of the pieces in my small but growing new collection have solid, and in some cases quite interesting, provenance. One example, in my new Forum gallery but not shown here, is a repaired (from multiple fragments) Roman gray ware bowl, ex-Michael Green Collection, that I recently picked up. It came with site-and-date specific excavation information: it was excavated at Deans Hanger, Towcester, Northamptonshire, England in 1972. It's not often that you can get that kind of specificity with regard to provenance. Another, a Cypriot bowl (shown below), has a hand-written export license number from Cyprus Museum in Nicosia on its bottom, which was recorded prior to its shipping to UK, where it ended up in a private collection in Kent, UK, between the 1960's and 1980's. Another piece, shown among the group below, is from the Marcel Gibrat Collection. It's by far the largest piece I own thus far - and is a favorite. Gibrat was an art restorer/conservator for the Metropolitan Museum of Art. He is remembered as an expert in antiquities, despite only having a sixth-grade education, and as being the only Met restorer without a PhD. He began purchasing antiquities, tribal art, Asian art, and European art beginning in the early to mid-1960s. He collected, restored, bought, and sold high quality items for the better part of three decades, before falling ill and being unable to work in 1992. Two other pieces in my collection, including the bucchero ware Etruscan chalice and the lekythos (both in the group below), are from the estate of an Emmy Award-winning Hollywood set decorator.

The point is, it's preferable and reassuring to acquire pieces with good provenance.

My new gallery is just getting started. I hope to add occasional pieces from time to time, at a relaxed pace. (Same goes for my weapons gallery) The gallery is here, for anyone who may be interested in its modest beginnings: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ga...p?album=7377

Below are a few nicer examples from the gallery.

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Bowl
Cyprus
Cypro-Geometric III, Early Iron Age
c. 850 - 700 BC
15.8 cm (w) x 3.8 cm (h)
(6 3/16" x 1 1/2")
Description:
A shallow pottery bowl with a single handle, decorated with black painted bands over a red slip surface. Repaired from three pieces, some accretions and minor losses. Underside of base inscribed with an export license reference number from the Cyprus Museum in Nicosia.
Ex-private collection, Kent, UK. Acquired 1960's - 1980's.

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Guttos
Greek
c. 5th - 4th century BC
120 mm (l) x 60 mm (h)
(4 3/4" x 2 3/8")
Description:
Blackware, strap handle (repaired), narrow spout, ribs to the shoulder.
Formerly part of two European collections, the earlier formed mainly in the 1980's.

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Bucchero Ware Chalice
Etruscan/Etruria (Central Italy)
c. 7th - 6th century BC
12.7 cm (w) x 8.9 cm (h)
(5" x 3 1/2")
Description:
Pedestal foot, pronounced border at bottom of bowl, above which are incised bands.
Ex-Wesley Laws Collection, Palms Spring, CA

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Bowl
Roman
1st century AD
86 mm (w) x 30 mm (h)
(3 3/8" x 1 3/16")
Description:
Red glazed, barbotine decoration around the rim in the form of stylized ivy leaves, loss to one side of rim, chips. Although acquired in North Africa in the first half of the 20th century by earlier collectors (see provenance below), a recognized antiquities expert states, "The bowl is likely of European manufacture and was exported in antiquity to the Roman North African colonies. I say this as the red slip is a little bit finer and glossier than the Roman North African local production (mostly around modern Tunisia). Also, this barbotine decoration was very popular throughout the Roman Empire and therefore widely exported/traded."
Ex. private collection, Paris, France; inherited and formerly acquired in North Africa during the early to mid-20th century.

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Oinochoe
Greek, South Italy
4th - 3rd century BC
64 mm (w) x 86 mm (h)
(2 1/2" x 3 3/8")
Description:
Black glazed, ribbed body, trefoil mouth, one section slightly misfired in antiquity, handle missing, old collection or archaeological number (G1009) written on bottom.
Ex-private UK collection

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Near Eastern Vessel
c. 1000 BC
24.1 cm (w) x 20.32 cm (h)
(9 1/2" x 8")
Description:
A wide, carinated vessel with raised ridge at shoulder, decorated with horizontal stripes above and below ridge, ridge itself decorated with a pattern of small triangles, losses to rim, small chip at foot, encrustations and gouges, no restorations or cracks.
Ex-Marcel Gibrat Collection

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Oil Lamp
Greek
c. 3rd - 1st century BC
7.3 cm (w) x 9.84 (l) x 3.3 cm (h)
(2 7/8" x 3 7/8" x 1 5/16")
Description:
Small circular pedestal base, bulbous circular body, elongated spout, oxidized black glaze.

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Lekythos
Greek
Late 4th - 3rd century BC
69 mm (w) x 89 mm (h)
(2 3/4" x 3 1/2")
Description:
Blackware, incised horizontal bands, strap handle.
Ex-Wesley Laws Collection, Palms Spring, CA
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Bob, all wonderful pieces it's amazing how well they have held up all these centuries. You write up was very informative.Thanks for sharing your new additions.
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Very nice,I have always wanted a nice oil lamp...some day.
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Those are some really nice pieces Bob. I imagine that you must be competing with some museums for these pieces.


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Actually, this is the only piece of Middle Easter pottery that I own. It's newly made and I bought it as a souvenir for a couple bucks in Jerusalem. I'm still waiting for a power outage to see if it works...
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I used to loose power about 12 times a year,now it's around 3 times. I could have put it to good use
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As always, a very interesting write-up Bob.

All the pieces are in superb condition. My favourite would be the first "Near Eastern Vessel" with it's near perfect symmetry, closely followed by the Greek Guttos, for it's beautiful design and execution.

Hopefully the thread will grow, as new items are added.
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I love that oil lamp also. But thats not going to help in todays world. I have a few circa 1895. PM me
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keith12,
Thanks that's very kind of you,but I was talking about an ancient roman one. I just checked the bay, and the prices are way above what I was thinking. Maybe I don't want one anymore
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I appreciate the comments and conversation.
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I have often thought of buying one
But as mentioned they are and have been 'faked' for many many years
Especially the interesting ones !
As a teen in the early seventies I visited Greece
We took one of the standard tours to Mycenae
Upon entering the Liongate the group paused at the shaft graves which Schliemann excavated and found the "face of Agamemnon"
It wasn't but that's besides the point !
The tour guide nonchalantly pointed out the slag heaps Schliemann had deposited behind
While the group stood staring into an empty pit I couldn't help but notice the painted pottery shards in the rain washed heaps behind us
I collected a small handful and 'chalantly' dropped them in my pocket

These were the bad old days in Greece
Soldiers with guns everywhere
But I was young and stupid
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I couldn't help but notice the painted pottery shards in the rain washed heaps behind us
I collected a small handful and 'chalantly' dropped them in my pocket


Sherds can be interesting - and are certainly imbued with history. From the gallery:

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Sherds: Greek
c. 5th century BC
Calpe, Spain
Description:
Greek colonial blackware potsherds. With one exception, all sherds here were surface finds (by the previous owner) from 1966 at the Penyal d'lfac in Calpe, Spain. This coastal site was close to the speculated location of the Alonis, a Greek settlement mentioned by ancient authors including Stephanus of Byzantium.


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Sherds: Roman
Left:
Fragment of oil lamp discus with hind legs of a boar. Some soot and encrustations.
c. 1st - 2nd century AD
57.2 mm (w) x 82.6 mm (l)
(2 ¼" x 3 ¼")

Right top:
Terra sigillata fragment with running hare motif.
c. 1st - 2nd century AD
38 mm

Right center:
Terra sigillata fragment with floral motif and other decorative elements - perhaps including stylized lion's head atop staff?
c. 1st - 2nd century AD
48 mm

Right bottom:
Terra sigillata fragment with leaf motif.
c. 1st - 2nd century AD
41 mm
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Really nice Bob!...What a sweet idea and will compliment your weapons collection nicely...Did you ever get your cabinets?
I've just taken a look at your gallery 'Very impressive start'! Good quality photos too!
I like all your pieces but the 2 that stand out to me the most is that simple Bucchero Ware Chalice (now that's old!) wonderful simplistic shape....and that lovely little Greek oil lamp .....
Bob little oil lamps was an area I'd thought of moving into to add to my Fibulae collection but was always concerned about breakage in transit. Have you had any problems?..
Do you have a favourite piece?
Found the thread very interesting, thanks for sharing and look forward to seeing more......Paul
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Thanks for the comments, Paul.

No, I have haven't had any issues with breakage in transit, including the pieces from Europe to the US. All arrived safely.

Still haven't gotten the display case - and am now thinking I may have to get two. I think about it almost everyday since storage is an issue. If the pandemic hadn't happened, I would have had a display case or two set up a long while back. But the showroom of the place I want to get it from had been closed - and may still be. They are still doing deliveries, however, and I plan to take advantage of that when my schedule allows. I have been swamped, though, with work-related stuff this summer. So the purchasing and setting up of the case (or cases) has been continually delayed.

Favorites include the ex-Sackler and ex-Gibrat Near Eastern vessels, and the Cypriot bowl. The Gibrat piece is especially impressive since it's pretty big and heavy:

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ga...Vessel_d.jpg
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ga...l_Gibrat.jpg
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ga...riotBowl.jpg
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