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1820 Seated Justice Token For Your Grading Pleasure

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 Posted 08/16/2020  6:51 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mostlysilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi all.

My numismatic wheelhouse is 19th & 20th century U.S. silver, and I know very little about Canadian tokens. But, one of the very knowledgeable CCF members who recently helped me identify this piece suggested that posting it here would spark a spirited grading discussion.

Sources tell me this a CH LC-57A2.

Have at it.

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 Posted 08/16/2020  8:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hardly experienced with this, but guessing Fine or so.
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 Posted 08/16/2020  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Wade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm into tokens (anything pre 1858 really), but this series is not me area of focus,

that said, I have never seen date lettering like that before,

off to look up some more info on the piece
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 Posted 08/16/2020  11:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silver101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Fascinating!

I would say higher than fine. Many of these tokens were fairly crudely struck so the standard has to shift. This one - the laurel has a lot of detail - the central veins in some of the leaves even. Also, the eye - the face in general - is in quite good shape. And the beads around the edge are all pretty clearly delineated. So the obverse is up there - I'll guess VF or even EF. The reverse - justice is almost missing one of her scales so that takes it down a little. But some of the other detail is decent - you can see some of the tiny work in her face for example.

Overall, maybe VF? Maybe even EF? I don't know this particular coin well but I love these things.
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VF+? Not too familiar with the varieties of these guys, but the bust certainly appears to be that of the "crude head" variety (LC-57A2-4). However, as Wade mentioned, the numbers of the date are unlike any other example I know of or have seen.

Is the axis medal or coinage?
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 Posted 08/17/2020  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mostlysilver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Blargish, it has coinage alignment.

Also, the diameter is 28 mm, thickness is about 1.2 mm, and the weight is 5.8g if that makes a difference.
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 Posted 08/17/2020  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wonder why Gene or Colonialtokens haven't chimed in on this thread? Both consider tokens a concentrated study subject. Haven't heard from Doug for a long time
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@mostlysilver has it identified correctly. Charlton LC-57A2 crude 82, Courteau 38NL R6. Copper w/coinage axis.

It looks like VF details to me based on photos. Possibly cleaned with some corrosion (pebbled surfaces).

Values = $55CAD in F; $100CAD in VF
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I concur with LC-57A2 for a coinage axis.
I will not squabble with a VF 20.

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