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Not Genuine Coins Returned From NGC

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 Posted 09/06/2020  09:17 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add bravo30 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have 2 coins that were returned from NGC labeled "not genuine" a 1906 D $10 and a 1913 $5 coin.

What's the consensus here on how to liquidate these coins? Do I sell them as not genuine or do I scrap them etc?


Thanks,
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 Posted 09/06/2020  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hfjacinto to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You can't / shouldn't sell counterfeit coins. Consider it a lesson learned.
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 Posted 09/06/2020  09:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverwolf to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
you will want to find out if there is any real gold in them, then sell them to a gold buyer as scrap..

Where did you buy these coins from, and how much did you pay for them..
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Good advice from silverwolf.
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Silverwolf,

I do clean-outs every now and then and have had these coins in my gold pile for about 5 years now. I didn't pay anything for them other then the privilege of hauling trash out of attics.
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At least they didn't come back as fakes.
I wonder what they are made of. And here is a thought. What if NGC is wrong?
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The weight looks right. Not sure if NGC is right is a good point.

$10 coin, 16.7g
$5 coin, 8.4g
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Wouldn't hurt to post a couple pics on here! Next step as stated, getting them tested for gold content, if any.
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The XRF test that scrap gold buyers use only tests the surface of the coin. If the coin is gold plated over a core, the XRF test by itself is not conclusive.

Other corroborative tests are required.
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Quote:
Other corroborative tests are required


Since the weight and look seem reasonable, presumably NGC did these tests. What were they?
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Here's how they were labeled from NGC



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That $5 Indian looks incredibly good fake.
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I have no idea what's wrong with either of them but I'm no expert either.

I have no idea. it would fool me for sure. I spent a good half hour trying to find faults that I don't see.

maybe there's tooling marks that identify it to them that aren't visible in the pictures?

I dunno, did you check it with a decent magnet just in case already?
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take them to an LCS and ask what they would pay for them.
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There were many fakes of these. They were made from melted down Saints so the metal is right. There used to be a numismatic premium on these coins, now there is none, so it hardly matters.
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