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I just received what will likely remain the earliest dated coin in my collection, this 1474 Briquet of the County of Flanders. Obv: Lion holding Burgundy-Flanders coat of arms, KAROLVS DEI GRA DVX BURG CO F (Charles, by the Grace of God, Duke of Burgundy and Count of Flanders) Rev: Floriate cross, BENEDIC HEREDITATI TVE ((Lord) Bless thine heritage). Charles le Hardi or le Temeraire ("the Bold" or "the Reckless") was the last Duke of a sovereign Burgundy. In his quest to elevate Burgundy to a kingdom, he amassed territory by diplomacy and by force, but met his end at the battle of Nancy in 1477, where armies of Lorraine and his Swiss enemies combined to defeat Burgundy, slaying Charles in the process. His daughter Marie succeeded him, and married Philip, the son of Holy Roman Emperor Maximilian, bringing Burgundian territories in the Low Countries under Hapsburg rule thereafter. My provenance question has to do with the auction ticket in the last photo, from an earlier sale of this coin. I am not very good at searching the CNG archive, and could not locate this coin there. ACSearch also did not locate it. Any suggestions would be welcome.    Edited by tdziemia
09/14/2020 11:43 am
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The tag should date between March 1991, when CNG took over Seaby and January 1994, when CNG's US office moved from Quarryville to Lancaster. It appears to be a retail inventory tag rather than an auction tag. https://www.coinbooks.org/esylum_v18n37a10.htmlEdited by Kushanshah
09/14/2020 3:44 pm
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I can't find it either, so I reached out to my friend Mark at Heritage, he is their head researcher for auctions, he should have a quick answer will let you know when I hear back from him, I told him no big hurry as I know he is busy on the Simpson Pattern Catalog at the moment. I'm not as familiar with the CNGZ numbers either, I am assuming the 18-3 & 499 have to do with the sale #/Lot # and the top inked in number #2487 was probably the winning bidder paddle written on as the auction happened.
Hope we get an answer that helps. It's a neat coin.
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@kushanshah and @westcoin, thanks very much for your feedback and help.
I had assumed 2487 might be he auction lot#, so I only searched the CNG archive using auctions as a search criterion, not retail. I will go back and change the search criteria. But in any event I think that archive does not go back farther than the early 2000s, so the 1991-94 window kushanshah has suggested may explain a lot.
In the scheme of things, it may be a little silly to spend a lot of effort on the last 30 years of a 500 year old coin's history. My wife was recently drooling over some Elizabeth I coins with 120 years of auction provenance (not that they are within our means ... though a second mortgage is always an option [:D)
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Kushanshah thanks for that link from the E-sylum, very interesting as I am from the very area in Denver, and my first job was in 1980 at a different Coin Shop on South Colorado Blvd., in Denver, Colorado. I also met and knew Kerry Wetterstrom back then as well, more from local shows and major close by shows as well as the ANA in nearby Colorado Springs. I don't recall ever going to Victor's shop in Denver. That article really took me back in time to my youth! As a primarily US collector, though I'm getting more into Colonial and hence UK/Spanish/French items now enter the realm of my research now, so I'm learning to expand my mind and world view of coinage a bit more. Again a big thanks for that read.  "Buy the Book Before You Buy the Coin" - Aaron R. Feldman - "And read it" - Me 2013! ANA Life Member #3288 in good standing since 1981, ANS, Early American Coppers Member (EAC), Colonial Coin Collectors Club member (C4), Conder Token Collector Club member (CTCC), Civil War Token Society (CWTS) member, Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC) & Numismatic Bibliomania Society member (NBS), USMex, Member in good standing, 2¢ variety collector. See my want page: http://goccf.com/t/140440 |
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Pursuing a slightly different approach, if I take @kushanshah's 1991-1994 range, and further note that the estimate (?) reflects a ROE of 1.5 (150 pounds and $225), we can look at historical ROE, and see that this narrows the date range to after 4Q92.
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