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 Posted 09/30/2020  11:25 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add 4theOldMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone, I am doing this for my dad who has been collecting error coins on and off for many years.

He is wanting to send these off to PCGS for grading and estimated value. The main question that I have is it worth it? In my opinion PCGS is grading on how "mint" a coin is and not the rarity, am I correct? He wants to know are his error coins valuable and I am asking yall how to we go about establishing a baseline value? I have read post and some mention a book? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank You.

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 Posted 10/01/2020  12:17 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SensibleSal66 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
sorry, not being a jerk, but can you do one coin per post and enlarge the later ones ?
Thanks. Take Care, be safe
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 Posted 10/01/2020  12:20 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SamCoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First is an off center error. In very nice condition and certainly belongs in a 2x2, but not worth having graded imo. Second appears to be either circulation wear or intentional mischief. Third is very interesting - I can't tell if it's a very fine example of a Struck Through Grease error or struck through a capped die. Either way, definitely 2x2 worthy, but potentially worth TPG submission if it's the latter.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  12:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ty2020b to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First coin, uncentered broadstrike. Worth a 2x2 but not worth sending in, as already stated. Second, not quite sure what's going on either, probable PMD. Last coin, I'm leaning towards a capped die, see what others have to say.

Both are factors when it comes to grading. You can have common dates in very high grades worth a lot , and rare coins in low grades worth a lot. With these examples, the uncentered broadstrike is the more common of the two. Not worth it in this condition. The later, if a capped die, is a lot less common, but condition certainly plays a factor. If it were mine, I would keep it as is. Would need to be in a higher MS to be sent in IMO.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  02:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add merclover to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Please, please, one coin per thread (it makes it much easier for us - thanks!)

As for establishing value, I'd recommend checking ebay's SOLD listings for a rough idea as to how much someone would pay for a coin. And remember, if you send coins off to PCGS or any other third party grading service, you have to factour in the cost of the grading, and many times this fee is greater than the the final value. Just fyi.

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 Posted 10/01/2020  03:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SensibleSal66 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice merclover !
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 Posted 10/01/2020  04:27 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The third is the only one that may be worth submitting, but it depends on what type of error it is. Can you post closer pics of just that one?

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 Posted 10/01/2020  05:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to CCF. I agree with SAM,but would not send any of them in to be slabbed.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  06:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
to the CCF!

The first and third coins look like mint errors, but I don't think you could recover the cost of certification when you sell them. If you just want verification that they are mint errors, I would choose the least expensive option for the Third Party Grader.

Coin #1 is an off-center strike, but these have decreased in value over the past few years. Value $25-$50.

Coin #2 is Post Mint Damage. Just a spender.

Coin #3 looks to be a heavy Grease Filled Die, not a capped die strike as I don't see the usual distortion or trailing of the devices. Deep rims like these are indicative of grease strikes. Value $20-$35

I could be mistaken on the third coin. If it is a capped die strike the value might be high enough to justify certification. If anything once it is graded and slabbed the question of Grease/Capped die strike will be answered, but I just don't see the usual characteristics of a capped die.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  1:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 4theOldMan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sensible - Not being a jerk at all, definitly will do that going forward.

SamCoin - Thank you, they are all in a 2x2 coin holder, I took them out to take the pictures so there wasnt any glare.

Ty - Thank you.

Merclover - Thank You. Thats my opinion about sending them in. He doesn't have a lot of money to "throw" away if its not valuable.

spruett001 - Will do that in new post. Thank you

Thanks John

Yokozuna - Thank you for the feedback. Once I figure out how to post bigger more detailed photos and keep them under 300MB I will create a post.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add HGK3 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agree that #1 is an off centered strike. The lack of reeding is clear.

I agree with Yokozuna that #3 is probably a Grease Filled Die strike because of the clear deep rim.

#2 has me puzzled, though. The missing rim is so complete and uniform that, combined with the lack of reeding, it makes me wonder if this isn't a possibly weak strike.

Error-ref lists 6 characteristics of weak strikes:

http://www.error-ref.com/weak_strik...rampressure/

What would be really helpful is weight and diameter of #2 along with closeups of the edge. If the edges were worn down mechanically there should be clearly visible marks, which would be a clear indicator of PMD.
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 Posted 10/01/2020  7:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reason there are no reeds on the first coin was that is was not in the collar that adds the reeds during the strike. On the second coin the reason they are missing is that they were removed. The coin was normal when struck but altered after is fell into the hands of someone trying to create an error coin. On the third coin I would like to see a closer view of the rim area. If they rim is normal it maybe a Struck Through Grease. But if the rim is more like a saucer, then it might be a struck though a die cap.
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Note the rim edge on this coin? Just can't tell for sure on this one.
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I agree that they are not worth the expense of submission for slabbing but put them in 2x2's and hang onto any interesting finds. I have a worthless mangled Lincoln Cent in a 2x2 and labeled it because I found it in the stomach of a 40 pound tuna when I was cleaning it.
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That reverse capped die. The third quarter is very rare. IMO
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