Identify Hammered Short Cross Pennies

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tfred Pillar of the Community Canada 627 Posts	Posted 10/09/2020 8:09 pm I have two more pennies(I believe) that need to be identified. The first one was tagged as Henry III, but I'm not sure if it's right. The second was identified as a King John. Thanks for looking. Report this Post to the Staff

Princetane Pillar of the Community 4628 Posts	Posted 10/09/2020 8:33 pm You can make out "Henricus" on both of them, Its hard to say which one as the pennies of the era changed little. Both are short cross. First one - other side has moneyers name - looks like Benonwine or something like that (My understanding of anything before Tudor is very limited). The second coin is too worn to say much more. There's a chance these could be Henry I or Henry II pushing them back into the 12th century rather than 13th. The portrait on your first penny is great - lots of personality and that coin is very fine at least - great score and a very historic coin. Edited by Princetane 10/09/2020 8:34 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34428 Posts	Posted 10/09/2020 9:30 pm I'm pretty sure the inscription on that first coin is ABEL ON LUNDE, so minted in London by a moneyer named Abel. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 10/09/2020 9:36 pm #1 is King John, ca. 1204-1210 Short cross, sceptre left. I'm cross pattee London mint, Abel moneyer (=Abel On Lvnde) Class 5b3, with one broken eye, round-topped R. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse 10/09/2020 10:41 pm Report this Post to the Staff
paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 10/09/2020 9:44 pm #2 is Richard I or early John ca. 1194-1199 Voided short cross penny Also a London coin of Abel, (=Abel On Lvnde) Typical crude style of Class 4 with fat letters, crescent/pellet hair, and pelleted beard, a diagnostic marker for the class Class 4a1 (single pellet reverse stops before and after ON) Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Edited by paralyse 10/09/2020 10:42 pm Report this Post to the Staff
Princetane Pillar of the Community 4628 Posts	Posted 10/09/2020 11:34 pm Well I said my knowledge of pre 1500s was limited. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34428 Posts	Posted 10/10/2020 06:02 am Nice work on the ID @paralyse, especially with that second one! "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
tfred Pillar of the Community Canada 627 Posts	Posted 10/10/2020 07:04 am Wow, thanks guys! Especially Paralyse! Very great detailed information. This certainly is not my area of expertise. I collect mainly early Canadian. I bought a dozen hammered British coins at an auction, because I think they are cool looking. I also enjoy trying to identify them. It also looks like some of you enjoy identifying hammered coins as well. Maybe over the next few days I'll post some of the other hammered coins and see what you guys think. You've seen the two pennies already and the half groat in the other post. The rest are a mix of shillings, and six pence s. Maybe another groat. Report this Post to the Staff
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