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1943 Lincoln Wheat Cent - Rotated Dies (Really?)

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Just pulled this out of a roll of circulated 1943 cents. Certainly caught my attention as I know of no rotated dies on a 1943. Anyway, it's gotta be a Magician's coin but well done as it weighs a correct 2.74g

1943 Lincoln Wheat cent - rotated dies or Magician's coin


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 Posted 10/24/2020  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GrapeCollects to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
interesting. Can you get a shot of the edge by liberty?
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LIBERTY from top and edge.


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Interesting.
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Huh that's fascinating. If it is a Magician's coin, it's one of the best I've seen for awhile.
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hello tropicalbats

i usually find half dollar magician coins and they sound hollow when hit.

does your coin sound different when hit?
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Hmm , could be legit .
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Leaning toward legit.
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Why can't there be rotated dies on 1943 cents? It happens all the time? Weight? Missed it, it is there. Looks legit to me.
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Thanks for the input! I've lightly bounced it around on my desktop a number of times to listen to it, and it does not sound hollow. I also have a lot of Kennedy magicians coins so kind of know that hollow sound they make.

But Coop, rotated dies "happens all the time?" Maybe on some of the old Colonial stuff, but as far as I know there are only 5 years during the entire run of wheat cents with rotated dies greater than 90 degrees and none after the 1940-S example. Finding a new year, especially a year as well-studied as 1943, seems hard to believe. I didn't measure this one but looks to be around 120 degrees.

But short of actually trying to make a fake rotated die coin, why would this actually be done to a coin? All the Lincoln magician coins I have are either heads-heads or tails-tails or hollow to fit a dime on one side.

Anyway, the comments here are letting me start to think maybe it is legit, but not really sure.

One thing I do notice is that both sides of the coin seem to have weathered (turned black) in the same fashion, so if it was altered it was a long time ago.
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ANACS calls it legit!

Not really concerned that it got a details grade, as more important that it was verified as the real deal. I looked up the cert number and see there is one other 1943 (an MS64) listed with rotated dies, but no way to tell if it is the same thing as ANACS will put that on the label for even minor rotation.

Anyway, I'm pleased and here it is in the slab.


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Wow! That must be a rare coin seeing as no die pair was listed as being this rotated!
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Congrats Bats! That's an fantastic find!
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Another cool find!
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congrats tropicalbats
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Very nice pickup...congrats.

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