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2 More - Australian Multi-Error Penny + 1843/34 1 1/2 Pence

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 Posted 12/03/2008  01:14 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
The Australian penny is from a current auction. This date is often found with a couple open letters and/or numbers, but not usually with this many missing segments and little extra features.
Also note the extra feature to the right of the bust. I've seen two other examples of this date with the same exact feature, could they be from a single defective die?

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The English coin is a good example of the scarce 1843 over 34 three-half pence coin. This one's from my personal collection =)

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Thanks!
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12/03/2008 01:23 am
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 Posted 12/03/2008  01:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't seen an AUS penny like that...I'll need to check mine.
A very dramatic overdate! That one is really clear, excellent!
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 Posted 12/03/2008  5:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks again Kurt! Out of maybe 8 or 9 Aussie pennies dated 1928 that I have, 3 show at least one letter or number with a missing segment. This one was especially prolific. Let me know if you find one in your collection with the "blob" on the obverse. That's the part I am most interested about.
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 Posted 12/03/2008  7:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's another example that seems to be from the same die

http://www.oztion.com.au/OA/oa_prev...picnum=1#pic
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 Posted 12/03/2008  8:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting! I'll take a close look at both.
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 Posted 12/04/2008  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1gtsfan to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nice coins.
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 Posted 12/04/2008  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Comparing your coin to the one you linked to, I'd agree those must be the same die--that die gouge is way too similar. There are other matches in the devices too. Have you decided whether the broken type is a filled die? One way to tell might be if you see a progression, ie the letters start more complete and disappear over time, which would point to a filled die. The other option--a broken hub or punches wouldn't show the same progression. Of course, since the date was punched independently, yet shows a similar problem, my guess would be a dirty die.
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 Posted 12/04/2008  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numismat to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That progression is noticeable in this date. Some pieces are better struck with fewer breaks, but as you start looking at pieces from a more worn die, the breaks and extra features increase in number and scope.
It's curious that this particular year is so much more prone to these errors than others.
Did the die cleaners get fired that year or something?
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Kurt, Why do you say the date was punched independently? I think you've got the 2 pictured coins mixed up.

The overdate is a GB coin, not the 1928 Aussie penny.
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 Posted 12/04/2008  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KurtS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nancy, yep.
I could easily be totally wrong, but I thought on the Australia KGV Penny, the date was punched separately into the die, hence the varieties with different spreads and angles to the date.

Or by 1928 was the date already part of the reverse hub at this point? To be honest, I'm not even sure the 1933/2 Pennies are simply repunched digits, or multiple hubbings. Does anyone have this information?

Checking further on this variety, I read here that:

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The letter/number breaks may have been caused by die filling but because they are so common, it is more likely that they were caused by damaged working punches. Some slight support for this conjecture is lent by the observation that the lettering on both sides of the coin is heavily fishtailed, suggesting die spread in the punch and/or master tools. More significantly, the faults are observed in transverse features only. If die filling were the cause then one would expect to see it on both transverse and radial features.

So I stand corrected on my guess.
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