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1894 P Morgan Authentication

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Evening y'all I'm new to the forum and I have been collecting for awhile here and there and came across a 1894 P Morgan that I have some questions about its authenticity. Maybe some of the well versed Morgan collectors can comment if this is a real or fake 1894 since they are probably more common than the real ones. The coin weighs in at 26.5 gr and does not attract a magnet. let me know if y'all need any more pics of certain areas.

thanks in advance
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 Posted 11/01/2020  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Check Zurie's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Zurie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, it looks counterfeit. It's a bit light, the numbers are too rounded, and the date position is wrong for that date.

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I'm not convinced it's a fake - more input needed.
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Could you post full obverse and reverse photos of the coin? There was only one obverse die used for the 1894-P business strike, and this date position doesn't match. I'm sticking with fake.
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Can we get a clear shot of the full obverse and reverse? I'm also very suspect. A number of spots look very soft and a bit mushy. The date being the biggest red flag. Tentatively siding with fake.
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my 1894 morgan with pick up points---
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that coin is grainy and has none of the pickup points---a fake---stay away---
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Morgan collector here! The NGC slab looks 100% athentic. It has all the telltale signs of being a real NGC product. The fakes are easy to spot if you know what to look for. If the holder is real and not tampered with, then the coin is 100% real.

I am confused about the first set of photos. The slab is real, but you first posted a set of photos showing a coin outside a slab. Do you have two 1894s?
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I am confused about the first set of photos. The slab is real, but you first posted a set of photos showing a coin outside a slab. Do you have two 1894s?


Two different coins posted by 2 different people! (Hope this helps with the confusion)
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 Posted 11/02/2020  04:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morgan78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey guys thanks for replying unfortunately this was bought off of ebay by me so it will
Be going back if it is indeed fake which I thought it was. Luckily a 30 day return policy is what the seller has. Here are some pics of the obverse and reverse

Thanks for all your help I know where I'm going now for all my questions.


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Looking at mikev50 post on the die break on the talon area, my coin is missing that so it looks as though it's fake and I also weighed the coin again and it came back 26.97 oz with a coin that has some wear to it that should not be right. Thanks for the responses back
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With only one die pair for business strike coins yours is a definite fake with the date position too far right. Not a coin to be purchasing from ebay raw if you don't know what to look for.
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 Posted 11/02/2020  08:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add morgan78 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yep I've learned only buy slabbed on ebay sight unseen. Luckily I Can get my money back I've already initiated a counterfeit return.

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I'm sorry, but I'm 99% sure your coin's a counterfeit. Not to toot my own horn, but I'm pretty good at spotting fake Morgan dollars.
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Yea I already initiated a claim and getting my money back. Thanks I learned a lesson and thank god for this forum because the fraud is real out there.

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