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Identification Of Possible Golden Horde Coin

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 Posted 11/05/2020  06:09 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Neil666 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello everyone. Requesting help to identify a coin that recently came into my possession. Weighs around 1.4g


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I recommend you flatten the staples so they don't damage other 2x2's when stacked.
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The phrase "came into my possession" always makes me wonder how that happened.
Sorry, don't know what this is.
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 Posted 11/05/2020  08:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Neil666 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@john, I stack my coins vertically, so I'm saved from the damage, thankfully.
Secondly, regarding the coin itself, I was told that it is a coin of the Golden Horde Mongols, but I haven't been able to match it visually so far. Thanks.
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I don't see a match in my 1899 edition of Petrov, but that only covers Russian / Ukrainian / Black Sea related issues, so by no means definitive - the implication is that we should perhaps be looking a little further east.
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, I stack my coins vertically, so I'm saved from the damage, thankfully.


Staples are still a danger


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the implication is that we should perhaps be looking a little further east


I would expect this coin to come from somewhere near India, but that mostly just a gut feeling.
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@Gincoin43, the golden horde coinage looks awfully similar in certain respects across the empire - character matching and special marker identification are musts.
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the golden horde coinage looks awfully similar in certain respects across the empire - character matching and special marker identification are musts.

I've never looked at them before, that was just the vibe I was getting. If it helps I think the Reverse of the link below matches the legend at least. The obverse looks to have some of the same characters but I can't read it so I'm not sure exactly what words are matching. But there is a entry in Russian with a translation.


https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces155688.html
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Yes, the reverse is the Kalima, common to many Islamic coins. On the other side, the titles "sultan" and "khan" are plain. There is also a portion of the ruler's name but it isn't registering in my mind. Unfortunately there is no visible date, which would be a great help. If I have an epiphany, I will be sure to post.
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Aha! It is a very rare coin of Tulak Khan (Zeno "Tuliak"/ Album "Tulak"). I was unaware of him, so did not recognize his name although it is almost fully legible. The clue was the Kalima reverse, for which Zeno has a separate section of Golden Horde issues. Album M2048 (RRR). The date 782 (retrograde) is indeed partly visible but a bit out of focus, just below the Kalima. Congratulations!

https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=10810
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Most excellent
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@Kushanshah - wow, very impressive! Nicely done!
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Amazing! @kushanshah! True expertise! Many thanks!
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For those with difficulty reading the coin, I have highlighted the ruler's name. Green = Tulak (t-w-la-k) / Blue = Khan (kh-a-n).
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Very helpful
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