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Is there some kind of scale for rating or measuring the spread on doubled dies? Say a ten point scale, with a 1 for slight thickening of the letters and numbers, and with maybe an 8 for spectacular spread, as in the 1955/55 cent? It would necessarily be pretty subjective, I guess, unless you could actually measure the spread using a microscope with graduations on its eyepiece reticle.
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slight,close,minor,major,dramatic...and 55 lol
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Well this wouldn't work well die to different die classes. You could maybe do this at a class by class level, but you cant compare class 9 and class 1.
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fairly certain the DOubled Die Class is the scale used. And since all doubled dies of that particular variety are the same because it's on the hubs/master dies, the degree of separation is a pretty unimportant characteristic, as any one 1955 1¢ WDDO-001, will have the same amount of separation as any other 1955 1¢ WDDO-001 for example.
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To revisit what I said earlier in a more cohesive fashion. Comparing different classes of doubled dies is like comparing apples to oranges. If you wanted to make a rating scale it'd inherently be subjective but ignoring that you couldn't compare dies of different classes. For example, you could compare the 1941 FS-101 (C-1) Lincoln Cent with the 1947 FS-101 (C-1), but you couldn't compare the 1936 FS-101 (C-IV) Lincoln with the 1955 FS-101 (C-1). As such you'd have to compare by class ie, C-1 vs C-1, C-2 vs C-2, and so on. |
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The point is to assess spread. Spread. Not to compare one doubled die coin with another. The point is that the spread of a doubled die roughly correlates with its desirability and value. The 1955/55 cent is more dramatic than the 1972/72, and therefore sells for considerably more. A mundane, minor spread doubled die generally sells for much less.
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Coppercoins is the only site that has ratings on doubled dies. Most describe the spread with terms to describe it. 1955 DDO-001: Description: Very strong spread on LIBERTY, IN GOD WE TRUST, date, eye, bowtie, and vest. 1972 DDO-001: Description: Strong spread on LIBERTY, IN GOD WE TRUST, and date. 1983 DDR-001: Description: Strong spread South on all lettering and building. 1983 DDR-002" Description: Medium spread on UNITED with light spread on STATES and ONE 1972 DDO-005: Description: Light spread on LIB of LIBERTY, IN GOD WE TRUST, and 72 of date. 1972 DDO-009: Description: Strong spread as an extra bar above the 2 of the date. (He calls this strong, I consider a lot less than that) This helps give an idea of the terms. Coppercoins gives stars and a description five ***** 1955P-1DO-001: CLASS 1 Quote:This is the monster of all Lincoln Cent doubled dies. Extreme CCW spread shows on all design elements. This is the most famous of all doubled dies in US coinage. BE VERY WARY OF COUNTERFEITS! So there is already and has been for years these aids to identifying the die varieties. |
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The point is to assess spread. Spread. You only want to assess the spread on certain doubled dies, not all classes? There is no spread on a class 6 doubled die, only thickness, and some of it is pretty extreme. What Grapes said is very relevant and I agree with him. How do you design a system to compare the stength of rotation, distortion, design, offset, pivoting, distension, modification and tilt? (All are classes of hub doubling.) With that being said there may be a way to come up with a "Strength of Doubling" system to give collectors some guidance for each of the classes of doubled dies. But that identifier would relate to the strength of doubling based on the class of doubling. It seems up in the air if there would be enough collector interest in such a system and would probably need the support of at least one major attribution site. Words of encouragement are one of the major food groups.
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11/07/2020 10:12 pm
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As GrapeCollects points out, it's hard to compare different classes of doubling. That said, a lot of databases have some sort of metric of subjective significance of the doubling. Wexler has his "Best of Varieties," coppercoins uses a star rating system, and (in theory) the CPG is meant to be a "best of the best" list of varieties (although, in practice, there are a ton that they include that I would say are pretty trivial, and a ton that they don't include that I would call major).
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Posted 11/06/2020 2:14 pm
