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Two Coins. Possible Brakteats? Any Leads To Identify The Coins?

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Two undidentified coins.
Both are silver.
Diameter 20 and 20,5 mm.
The first one seems to show an animal.

I think they might be from Sweden.
I've searched catalogs of brakteats and found none similar.

Any ideas?


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 Posted 11/15/2020  07:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tdziemia to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
#2 looks like a griffon, which is on some bracteates of Pomerania and Rostock, places that I think were occupied by Sweden several times.

Could #1 be similar to this one from the German state of Brunswick? https://wcn.pl/archive/304657?q=brakteat+&page=4

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(Maybe moderators could move this to the Ancients/Medievals area)


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 Posted 11/15/2020  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Boppe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot, tdziemia.
Now I got some good leads.

I havn't been abled to find the coins where I usually look:
https://en.numista.com/
https://en.ucoin.net/catalog

Do you have recommendations on sites with good catalogs?
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I hope someone else can respond to your question about an online catalog.

Some places (not catalogs) where you can look:
1. WCN (Warszawskie Centrum Numizmatyczne) has an archive of most coins they have sold in the last 15 years. But the search field only understands Polish. For "Germany bracteate" you would search Niemcy brakteat. For "Pomerania bracteate," you would search Pomorze brakteat. http://www.wcn.pl

2. MA-shops is an online market with many coin vendors, I think based in Germany. Some CCF members (myself included) use the search feature here to do research (Pomerania = Pommern in German). http://www.MA-shops.com

Good luck!
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Could also be a lion
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Do you have recommendations on sites with good catalogs?



I personally prefer to use use paper catalogs. For Austria, I use Probst and for Germany I use Bahrfeldt. I note that you can find some pretty decent digital catalogs at academia.edu, such as this one by Ruckser and Rodrigues:

https://www.academia.edu/30495373/S...s_of_Austria
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Cannot help you much, except that I am pretty sure they are not Swedish. But you have already got some leads in other directions.

But / Välkommen to CCF, from a fellow Swede!
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Thanks for all advices. You've been very helpful.

This site was very impressing.
http://www.wcn.pl
I searched 111 pages with brakteats but didn't find my coins.
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I just turned my computer upside down, and realize that the top photo of #2 looks like it could also be a lion facing left with a tail curled over its back (if we guess that four appendages in the same direction are legs, not feathers).

Even if not a perfect match, the best possibility I see so far is a bracteate of Brunswick.
Here is another from the WCN archive, different from the earlier link, so there are multiple types: https://wcn.pl/archive/301733?q=bra...+lew+&page=3

There is also at least one type of Polish brakteate with a lion facing left, but the lion is not so normal in Polish heraldry, more common for Germany, Bohemia, Silesia, etc:
https://wcn.pl/archive/71_0128?q=br...+lew+&page=7




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@Boppe, I noticed that the Brunswick bracteates have "catalog numbers" from the Kestner Museum in Hanover Germany.
These are available online: https://www.hannover.de/Museum-Augu...ublikationen

Good luck!
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