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 Posted 12/11/2008  05:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjiesalvador to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mike. Here are some more shots of the ear, neck area, and left wing. I am not sure if that's a doubling on the ear. I hope this helps.
Thanks
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 Posted 12/11/2008  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't believe I see the ear doubling or wing gouge which have been noted previously; this leaves us no clearer as to which particular variety this coin is. That's the fun, and the frustration, of VAMming.

The reverse you requested is below, Mike. I bought and sold that coin before I was really aware of VAM's; the pictures are among my earliest efforts at coin photography. It's nicely clashed but not one of the "significant" clashes for that date. Wish I still had that one anyways.

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 Posted 12/11/2008  2:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
DAVE, When I saw this post I checked out some of my undiagnosed 1887's and while searching through them I found 2-VAM1F'S, I WAS AMAZED. STILL, I DO NOT KNOW THIS COINS VAM# yet, MIKE
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 Posted 12/12/2008  01:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjiesalvador to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Mike. Thanks SuperDave your pictures are simply amazing.
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 Posted 12/12/2008  8:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
junjie, I've gone through my book, supplements and Vamworld. Checked every VAM and can't see anything to suggest your coin is not a VAM 1. Still a good start and a great show of friendship on beginning your Morgan collection.
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 Posted 12/12/2008  10:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjiesalvador to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you MorgansRmine and all you Morgan addicts. I am beginning to get hooked too.
Cheers
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 Posted 12/13/2008  06:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjiesalvador to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mike & MorgansRmine. I checked over at Vamsworld & I think my first morgan is a VAM 5. The stars on the obverse (left & right) are doubled. However, letters of E Plur... are also doubled. Will this still make the coin a VAM 5? Also, there seem to be some kind of layer or coating on top of the date and letters, what are these? Additional photos. First 2 stars from the right side and last 2 opposite side. First and last letters of motto - E & M. Thanks


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Thanks Mike. Thanks SuperDave your pictures are simply amazing.


Thank you for the kind words, junjie. As I said, they're among my earliest efforts. If you want to see what I'm doing these days, go here:

http://www.compucoin.com/gallery2/main.php

Those are all to large to post here at CCF.
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 Posted 12/13/2008  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
junjie, two reasons yours can't be a Vam5. 1. Vam5 has very noticeable doubling on the 2nd 8 and 7. Your pictures of the date are good enough to show this, it's just not there. 2. Vam5 date starts at the left edge of 3rd denticle from neck point, where yours is starting half way through the 3rd denticle. These markers must be exact to be considered Vam5.
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I know there is an explanation for this.I have looked and can honestly state that there must be something we are all missing.Is there a die gouge on the left wing, 3-feathers up from the bottom through the feather?.Also did you check out VAM 1F, THIS WOULD HELP.Otherwise, with out the coin in hand, BE WELL, MIKE

ps;MRM, this could be a normal or VAM 1 coin with the clashes and dbl'ng?
DAVE: thanks for posting the reverse of the coin, I do not see the die gouge on the wing, did you mean when you said you wish you still had that one, did you mean the LT wing gouged VAM 1F?
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 Posted 12/13/2008  6:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes Mike, a Vam1 can have clashes. As long as no clashed letters are tranferred they mean nothing. I see typical die wear on the letters and stars, nothing to suggest hub doubling.
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 Posted 12/13/2008  11:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjiesalvador to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Mike, is that a die gouge on the third wing, two round objects (center of the picture} connected by a thick line?
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 Posted 12/13/2008  11:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjiesalvador to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi I failed to include this on my last post. Is it a die crack or mint grease or what on the 8 next to 1?
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 Posted 12/13/2008  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgans Dad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is there a line or a gouge mark going through the third from the bottom feather on the left wing, CLOSEST TO THE EAGLES BODY? .
Your pictures are to blurry for me to see? THANKS, MIKE
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 Posted 12/14/2008  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjiesalvador to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry Mike this the best that can do with this picture.

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