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1802 Draped Bust Large Cent - Stemless Wreath and Wreath with Stems, correct and incorrect fractions (images from PCGS): 
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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I looked at the photo for a long time, but then I saw that in the first photo there was no stem at the base of the wreath.
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Yeah those fraction errors are funny, rather than 1 cent 1/100 they made a mistake and just have 1/000. I have a 1801 example, Sheldon 219.  Edited by livingwater
02/25/2024 09:10 am
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IN NECESSARIIS UNITAS - IN DUBIIS LIBERTAS - IN OMNIBUS CARITAS THE MAN IN THE ARENA, Theodore Roosevelt at the Sorbonne Paris on April 23, 1910: " It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes up short again and again, because there is no effort without error or shortcoming, but who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, who spends himself in a worthy cause; who, at the best, knows, in the end, the triumph of high achievement, and who, at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who knew neither victory nor defeat." My coin website: https://fairfaxcoins.comEdited by numismatic student
02/25/2024 1:58 pm
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"Stemless wreath" is poor English grammar. I can understand why the translation is confusing. The branches in the "stemless" wreath clearly have a stem. The only difference is that the ends of the stems do not protrude from the ribbon.
They could have found a better descriptive term.
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Thanks for the help. Quote:
"Stemless wreath" is poor English grammar. Yes, some words or expressions confuse me. I have one more question. The article about Buffalo says "At Philadelphia, 1,250 Matte Proof examples were made for collectors." I don't quite understand what a matte proof is and why 1200, if about 1500 pieces were minted in 1913 Type 1 alone  |
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With Stems -- Stemless With Stems -- Without Stems Stems -- No Stems All OK English in my book. Stemless Wreath is the name of the variety used in my 2017 MEGA Red Book. Stemless Wreath is better English than Wreath Stemless. I note that there is also a "one stem" variety (as seen on the 1801 shown above). When talking about the stems, you have to know which stems could be missing. Similar to the 3-legged Buffalo nickel (you have to know which leg is missing). Show your financial support of the Coin Community Family (click here)See my topic on Mexican Numismatic Medals (click here) |
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It will be good if the participants publish their large cent with various mint errors. I'll make a selection.
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This thread or topic, reminds me of a famous quote .... General George Patton said he agreed with Playwright George Bernard Shaw that "the English and American peoples are separated by a common language."
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General George Patton said he agreed with Playwright George Bernard Shaw that "the English and American peoples are separated by a common language." I thought it was the Atlantic ocean? Sorry, that is an old Eddie Izzard bit.  |
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I don't quite understand what a matte proof is and why 1200, if about 1500 pieces were minted in 1913 Type 1 alone From the Glossary: Matte ProofAn experimental Proof striking, produced by the U.S. Mint mainly from 1907 to 1916, which has sandblasted or acid-pickled surfaces. These textured surfaces represented a radical departure from brilliant Proofs, having even less reflectivity than business strikes. https://www.coincommunity.com/dicti.../coins_m.asp |
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I can find information about the circulation of the matt proof somewhere. Why does PCGS claim that 1200 copies were made? And in what year did the mint mint these coins?
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stemless wreaths means that the wreath will not have a stem (part of the branch of the tree it was taken from) only the leaves.
Think of it like this:
You give a friend a rose it has a stem (sometimes with thorns on it) a stemless rose will be just the flower and nothing else attached to it to put into a vase.
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in general, I think that we need to rename the topic something like "stupid questions about the history of US coinage" (We need to work on the title). Judging by a few comments on my question (which I asked here as well as on another forum) I realized the following. Since PCGS in paragraph 4 talks about the creation of Type 2, it is logical to assume that when it came to the 1250 coins of the matte proof of Philadelphia, it is about Type 1 and its history. I was also informed that all coins from 1913-1916 are matte proof (matte is not a special proof technology). Therefore, the only question remains where the figure 1250 comes from, when on the very page of the pcgs dedicated to 1913 type 1 the figure is 1520, it is probably an error or a proofreader's error. |
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