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wetglaswegian Member United States 917 Posts	Posted 12/14/2008 02:32 am Never really noticed Tokens before.I seen this one and liked it for its design and id lived in Glasgow for many years. If my latin is correct its 1811 , I'm not sure who the figure represents. On the obverse is the Glasgow coat of arms.The tree that never grew,The bird that never flew,the fish that never swam and the bell that never rang. These things turn up in the oddest places,i got this in Colorado. Image: b58e_1.jpg 31.77 KB Image: b603_1.jpg 36.03 KB Report this Post to the Staff

Becky Pillar of the Community United States 954 Posts	Posted 12/14/2008 11:35 am That is one of my favorite conder tokens. The figure is of a river god, I don't know if he has a name or not, maybe someone else will know. Report this Post to the Staff
Becky Pillar of the Community United States 954 Posts	Posted 12/14/2008 11:42 am Here is mine.. A mint state copy of this piece is breathtaking. Thanks for sharing. Report this Post to the Staff
wetglaswegian Member United States 917 Posts	Posted 12/14/2008 1:36 pm Wow that one is so dazzling I need those shades.Thats an excellent example Becky. Ill make it my job today to find out who that figure is.I grew up in Glasgow and it is a very familier figure but not so familier that I know his name. Its interesting that its a river God , Glasgow is on the river Clyde which was home to some of the finest shipbuilding in the world. I do have a question , how did it get its name " conder token " and what was its primary use? Im impressed with your token Becky , can still see the ring in the fishes mouth.Birds there in the tree , not so with my example. Quick update , the vessel the river God is leaning on had/has Clyde written on it to represent the river Clyde.We cant see that on ours. Also my latin or lack of is seriously wrong as it appears these were made in 1791. Also the oar the river God has in his outstretched hand has the cross of St Andrew on it , the patron saint of Scotland.Sadly its worn from mine. Thus far the river God appears unnamed but id imagine its based on one particular "God" Glasgow loves the arts , the architecture there shouts it out , I'm sure ive seen a statue of this "river god" somewhere or in a museum of which there are plenty. Im thinking a virtual tour of Glasgow is going to tell me who that figure is based on , all art is based on something. This guy is connected in stories involving Jupitor and Juno , ive got some other Glaswegians looking into this , the term NUNQUAM ARESCERE appears around him and I believe Nunquam translates as Never , still working on the other word. Edited by wetglaswegian 12/14/2008 11:39 pm Report this Post to the Staff
wetglaswegian Member United States 917 Posts	Posted 12/15/2008 12:16 pm I believe with the help of my fellow Glaswegians its answered. Its a Conder token because the first book written on the subject of these tokens was by a man named Conder. The term NUNQUAM ARESCERE translates roughly to Never to run dry.This is a reference to the river Clyde. The River Gods name ( drum roll please ) http://www.flickr.com/photos/hollowhorn/47080098/ Thats him in the picture, I knew id seen him before.Perhaps based on Poseidon or even Neptune its Father Clyde. Report this Post to the Staff
Becky Pillar of the Community United States 954 Posts	Posted 12/15/2008 7:23 pm Wow, I got you started, then you taught me. Great info you found, thanks Let me just say, if you like these wonderful little tokens, you will be amazed by the number and diversity of them. Everything from Lady Godiva to turtles.....they are lovely and very affordable in circulated grades. Report this Post to the Staff
wetglaswegian Member United States 917 Posts	Posted 12/16/2008 02:38 am Ive seen a few Becky on my virtual travels to find the info on the glasgow one , its funny because normally I wouldnt look twice at a bronze coin far less a token.These though have my interest and reading the descriptions of whos on them and why was a real history lesson. It even created a bit of a stir on my glasgow forum and a lot of people both helped and were grateful to see such a fine thread.(their words) So although set out to collect silver coins and invest in gold ones I am pretty set on finding another equally interesting token or two..you know how that goes..soon have a hatfull. In fact I found one today in my change , dunno how long ago id got it , sometime over the last few days , it looks just like a dime but it is a tampa transit token. Not a Napoleonic classic but its cute in its own way , a keeper. The lady godiva one would be coventry I think , I'm going to see if I cant get hold of an edinburgh one , I'm kicking myself now as I seen one and didnt know what it was so passed on it , I got the glasgow one just because it said glasgow,now I know what they are..tsk..wish id bid on the edinburgh halfpenny..it was even older. Report this Post to the Staff
wetglaswegian Member United States 917 Posts	Posted 12/31/2008 7:17 pm Couldnt resist this upgrade , its as close to mint state as I'm likely to come across on my budget. Ive also discovered they say "Payable at the house of Gilbert Shearer and company" around the rim. Image: 6da4_1.jpg 45.26 KB Image: 7099_1.jpg 50.44 KB Report this Post to the Staff
Becky Pillar of the Community United States 954 Posts	Posted 01/01/2009 12:59 pm Nice upgrade! Report this Post to the Staff
usafwilson New Member United States 10 Posts	Posted 01/01/2009 3:17 pm I think this is definitely that coin that I was unable to identify in the "identification" forum. Are these worth anything? Mine was dug up with two American coins.. my town was held by the Brits until 1814. Report this Post to the Staff
wetglaswegian Member United States 917 Posts	Posted 01/01/2009 4:05 pm In good condition these tokens hold a remarkable value.Be careful and wary when buying one as often tiny details are worn off that are not apparant at first glance. In this instance note the Scottish flag of St Andrew on the blade of the oar.If one didnt know it should be there its not immediately obvious. Also the upturned urn,it should say "clyde" on it.Wouldnt be missed if it was worn off as so many are. Good luck Report this Post to the Staff
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