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Valued Member
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I noticed while reading through NumisMedia's price guide that Full Bell Line Franklins are only listed as MS60+. I have quite a few FBL's in my collection that I wouldn't classify as MS60. Isn't it possible to have an XF w/ a full line?
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Bedrock of the Community
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I have seen AU Franklins with FBL and I suppose it is possible for an EF Franklin to have FBL but the odds are heavily against it. Even most MS Franklins do not have FBL so for one to survive all the way down to EF would be very difficult. The reason why it is only listed in MS grades is that it would not add any value to a coin with wear.
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The reason why it is only listed in MS grades is that it would not add any value to a coin with wear.  |
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I have a complete set of Franklins & they all look like this. Is this considered FBL? & what grade would you put on it? Thanks   |
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Bedrock of the Community
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That would be about VF30/EF40 and definitely does not have full bell lines. There are two sets of lines- three upper and two lower- and they must be fully separated. I believe that PCGS only uses the lower lines while NGC uses both sets, I am not sure what ANACS or ICG does. I personally use both sets when assigning the designation. Some weakness is allowed directly to the left of the crack because that is reflected in the design- even the actual Liberty Bell has line weakness there because of repair work done on the crack. Dings, scratches, or bagmarks that disrupt multiple lines will disqualify a coin from FBL status. CAC has a FBL reference set online, check it out  |
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Ahhhhhhhh, now I see. I was thinking that the FBL was refering to the crack only.
Thanks
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Pillar of the Community
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I thought there were seven lines on a FBL Franklin?
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Bedrock of the Community
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 So, obviously, this is the real thing here and you should be able to see the lower set with two lines, the upper set with three lines as well as the inherent weakness in the lines just to the left of the crack. The lines around the top of the bell are irrelevant to the FBL discussion as they are almost always present but another indicator of a full strike is being able to read PASS AND STOW PHILADELPHIA (Pass and Stow were metal smiths who recast the bell after the first crack developed and they were based in Philly), I have seen those words completely illegible on coins that were certified as FBL but they were certainly not full strikes! Edited by biokemist6
12/15/2008 4:02 pm
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Valued Member
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Nice toning. On the real thing that is.  |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Man that Franklin Full Bell Lines is going to require a BIG safety deposit box!
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Pillar of the Community
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Funny thing is, the REAL bell is NOT a FBL!!
It has weakness in the SAME spot that keeps the coins out of FBL. Just to the left of the crack on the lower set of lines. They're gone!
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I've been scanning through my Red Book and have noticed that a few coins are more valuable in PF-65 state than in MS-65 state. For example, the 1957 Franklin half: MS-65: $55 PF-65: $30 This is not the only coin I have seen this with but I just used this one as an example. What is the reason behind this? |
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Proof is not made for circulation therefore should be in better condition and coins meant for circulation is rarer in unc. Just my stab at it.
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Pillar of the Community
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"Proof is not made for circulation therefore should be in better condition and coins meant for circulation is rarer in unc. Just my stab at it."
I agree NewDavid!
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What I meant to say is that some are more valuable in MS-65 state than in PF-65 state but I think everyone picked up on that. Another big difference is the 1962 Franklin half: MS-65: $110 PF-65: $20 |
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Posted 12/15/2008 11:25 am
