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Does Anyone Know What This Arabic Item Is? (Id: Jewelry/Belly Dancer Token/Fantasy Ottoman)

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 Posted 01/31/2021  3:03 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add kena to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
This was in a bunch of coins that my grandmother gave me but I have no idea what it is.

Can someone please help?

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 Posted 01/31/2021  3:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bart to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is a fantasy copy of a Ottoman coin. The fantasy date gives it away: AH2221 as accession date of the reigning monarch and 87 as his regnal year.
It is probably a so-called belly dancers token. These were fantasy tokens struck to ornate for instance the costumes of belly dancers. Those tokens were designed in a way they looked as Ottoman coins.
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 Posted 01/31/2021  9:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed--that could also explain the hole. Some (maybe newer ones?) are so thin as to be uniface.
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@Bart - is that 6661?
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Indeed: 6661 instead of 2221.
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The gold coin it was copied from was originally dated 1223, Year 27. Example on CGB.fr.

The original coins were very thin, and often holed for use as jewellery; the item posted above is a relatively rare unholed example.

And on this copy, it's not just the date-numerals that are backwards. The entire reverse design has been mirror-imaged. Curiously, the toughra on the obverse is the right way around.
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the item posted above is a relatively rare unholed example.


@sap, looks like it was holed and then filled, right?
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I meant the CGB example.

For the OP's replica, I think it's holed (as these replicas almost always are), just not showing the hole well due to being in a 2x2.
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I can't figure out if it is a hole since it does not appear to go thru the item or just the side with the date was attached to something at some point in time.

I did not think it was a real coin.

Thanks for the help.
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