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Fresh out the oven! Don't you like the smell of freshly baked Indian Head cents in the morning? That crisp pink oven-cleaner layer on top of the coppery "dough"?  |
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The other option is not to buy any toned coins, and drive the market back to preferring blast white silver and BN copper. *ducks and covers* |
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Right now I'm watching an MS65 Flying Eagle to see what it goes for (I really wish I could play with real money—I would love to have a FE in this condition). This is also altered. Anyone who has ANY experience with FEC know that they cannot come with luster like that naturally. Quote:
*ducks and covers*   Edited by GrapeCollects
02/04/2021 3:28 pm
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Pretty sure the seller tones the NGC coins after they are slabbed. the holders are not air tight
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@Machine, nope that's sadly not the case. If you look at the NGC photos on their website you can tell they're toned upon holdering. I will say, NGC has lost my business almost entirely due to this guy. They're either corrupt or inept.
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@twslisa, we already have evidence of that. Multiple, multiple people have sold him coins that magically rainbow tone over a weekend. Interesting. Have you sent documentation to NGC and to ebay? |
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This is also altered. Anyone who has ANY experience with FEC know that they cannot come with luster like that naturally. That might explain why I haven't seen any like that!! LOL. I haven't really studied FE's, but I had noticed that they never show the same kind of luster you can see on IHC's, etc. I did do a search earlier today and saw some other FE's at 64 and 65 that had SOME luster, but not like that! It's evidently a very GOOD thing that I'm not playing with real money yet. LOL. Edited by twslisa
02/04/2021 10:55 pm
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Pretty sure the seller tones the NGC coins after they are slabbed. the holders are not air tight The first two photos were posted by a CCF member of a coin he sold to Mikemountains. The first photo is a raw 1902 coin that sold on ebay on 12/4/20. The second photo is the same 1902 coin sold on ebay 12/27/20 with a little color added. It is not possible for this coin to natural tone in a couple of weeks. The third photo is in the NGC holder with a 1907 graded MS63 RB that sold on ebay by Mikemountains. Note the NGC coin has the same toning as the coin in the second photo. This coin did not get altered in the holder. NGC approved the coin as natural toning. Look at the coins this seller has sold in NGC holders over the past three months. Most of the coins have the seller's signature toning as noted in the original post.    Edited by Slider23
02/04/2021 11:41 pm
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NGC ....." corrupt and inept " now that is rich ! My own personal experience with NGC is that of a mostly positive nature . They are the only US TPG I would use for foreign coins . As to US coins , I have found that lately ( hundreds of Coins ) ANACS is probably the best . All three of the services , PCGS , NGC , and ANACS have no problem holdering copper and bronze that have this particular look and toning . Walk any major coin show ( remember those! ) you will see MANY EXAMPLES straight graded! Not saying it is right or wrong ....it is what it is . |
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NGC ....." corrupt and inept " now that is rich ! I'm no conspiracy theorist lol. But how the heck else do all of his coins magically come back straight graded when you know dang well they'd come back AT if it was any of us. Quote:US TPG I would use for foreign coins . Fair enough in that regard, PCGS does suck with world. Quote:
holdering copper and bronze that have this particular look and toning . I strongly disagree. Many, many of these coins would be obviously altered to anyone with intermediate experience. I personally find incredibly difficult to believe that they can identify even the best counterfeits and have decades of experience in many cases, but are unable to tell AT from NT. Especially considering that NGC gets way more toners due to their  designation. I almost guarantee if you were to crack any of them and send them back raw to NGC they'd come back AT or altered surfaces. |
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Slider, the toning on the 1907 is not necessarily AT. I have at least one coin with this kind of toning that I KNOW FOR A FACT comes from an old collection that has had no additions since the 1960's. That said it's interesting to see this kind of toning can be replicated artificially. (Side note—I KNOW I have a pic of the coin in question, but I can't find it in my photo library. If anyone else has an iPad, have you noticed that photos disappear? This has happened to me several times now.) I can see the skepticism regarding the brighter colors, but is it always AT?You guys can tell me—is there a great market for AT'd old world coins? I picked this one up several years ago on VCoins.  . |
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I watched that lecture about a week ago. It is very good, but quite long. Just watching the first half hour is already useful as it tells you the correct sequence of natural colors, which colors are natural, colors that flows over devices, and colors that break when encountering a device barrier. Quote:The first two photos were posted by a CCF member of a coin he sold to Mikemountains. The first photo is a raw 1902 coin that sold on ebay on 12/4/20. The second photo is the same 1902 coin sold on ebay 12/27/20 with a little color added. It is not possible for this coin to natural tone in a couple of weeks. Drawback of his coloring scheme is that the face hits on the AT coin are much more pronounced than on the original coin. Edited by NumisEd
02/05/2021 4:01 pm
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I've bought several NGC graded cents from this seller. Never even crossed my mind they were AT.
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Drawback of his coloring scheme is that the face hits on the AT coin are much more pronounced than on the original coin. Very true, makes it even easier to prove that it's AT'd too. Quote:
I've bought several NGC graded cents from this seller. Never even crossed my mind they were AT. Welcome to 2021 where even TPG graded coins can't always be trusted. Buy the coin not the holder, and buy the book before the coin. |
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