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I Can Tell You What It Says On The Slab. But I Don't Know (Id: 1618 Lithuanian Solidus)

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This why my wife should not be buying coins for me. At least it didn't cost to much.
(16)18 Lithuania Schil KM#16.3

Any info would be great


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Is it this one?
https://www.PCGS.com/cert/32137835

Only 3 graded higher.
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Your wife buys coins for you?!?! A keeper for sure!
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Yes that is the one. Funny how coin in hand looks different then PCGS photos. But I was looking for more info on this coin. I cant seem to find it on Numista
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Your coin is a 1 schilling from the Grand Duchy of Lithuania.

Lithuania was the (slightly smaller) half of the federated kingdom known as the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. The two halves had separate currencies, but a combined parliament and monarch. The Commonwealth was unusual in being an "electoral monarchy": instead of the king's son naturally inheriting the throne, as happened in normal monarchies, when the king died the parliament met and voted for who would be the next king. Of course, such elections were vulnerable to pressure from external powers; the king whose name is on this coin is Sigismund III, a Swedish prince whose family got him elected. He became King of Sweden too in 1592, but after being deposed from Sweden in a coup in 1599, he spent the next thirty years using the Polish military to try to regain his homeland. He was an autocratic, absolutist ruler, which was a temperament quite unsuited to the liberal, democratic nature of the Polish-Lithunainan state. But they had the Catholic religion in common, and this was the post-Reformation period, when Europe was divided Catholic vs Protestant.

For some more specifics on your coin: the obverse features a crowned "S" monogram of the king; the reverse depicts the coats of arms of the two half-nations of the Commonwealth. The slab gives the date as "(16)18"; that's because only the "18" appears on the coin (the "1" is on the left of the large S monogram, the "8" is on the right), with the "16" being presumed. This was often done on coins of the time, to save on space.

"Schilling" is the denomination's German name; that would be spelled "szyling" in Polish. The Latin name, "solidus", often features on these coins. The monetary system of he country was complicated: 6 pfennigs/denarow to 1 schilling/szyling, 3 schillings to a groschen/grosz, 30 groschen to a zloty. Modern Poland uses a decimal system of 100 groszy to a zloty.

I am surprised the slabbers slabbed this coin as-is; it's got quite a severe case of horn silver.
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I cant seem to find it on Numista
https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces126670.html

Good luck entering it, though, there's half a dozen variants listed for the year with no explanation (aside from catalog numbers) and no pictures.
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there's half a dozen variants listed for the year with no explanation

@giedrius is the real expert on Lithuanian coins, (and I think has some errors and varieties of these types), and @spence has Kopicki, but I will give it a shot.

Kop. 3446, 3447 and 3449 are differentiated by the presence or absence of the treasurer's mark reverse in the space between the base of the two shields:
Kop. 3446 - no treasurer's mark
Kop. 3447 - Bogoria mark (an arrow with a head pointing up and a head pointing down
Kop. 3449 - Wadwicz mark (something like two fish standing on their tails, facing).
Kop. 3448 - Like 3449, but rev legend ends in LI(arrow)
Kop. 3550 - Like 3449, but rev legend ends in LIT(rhombus)
Kop. 3452 has the large S monogram obverse backwards, so this can be eliminated

The poor condition of the reverse makes it very hard to say definitively, but my guess would be Kop.3449:
https://wcn.pl/archive/172863?q=wilno+1618&page=2
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Leave it to a TPG to provide photos which are incorrectly oriented (the left photo needs to be rotated 90 degrees clockwise and the right one 180 degrees)
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