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What Kind Of 1964 Kennedy Half Dollar Looks Frosty All Over Like This?

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I'm wondering if this coin was minted like this or if this is damage. The entire surface looks like a proof texture. I'm wondering if this is what a sandblasted coin might look like? The texture is very even all around the fields. Kind of a satin like reflectivity.

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I kinda have the same problem here:

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Just got done watching a video on youtube about fake 64 kennedys. The maker of the video had been sent 3 of them to show others, and they looked alot like your picture. He compared specs and they has some issues but close, and then he put them on one of those machines that checks composition and it flagged them.
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Oh great , just what we need ; Fake Modern Silver .
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Your images don't suggest a proof-like surface.



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I saw the video mentioned above. The weight, measurements, of the counterfeits were close. They were non-magnetic. The only test it did not pass was the Sigma Machine.

The reverse of that Kennedy does look off. The leg feathers look flat and everything looks thin. I would have it tested.
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The early flat pack sets were, and still are, notorious for creating satin looking silver. The shiny spots on the high points indicate this fact.
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Looks over dipped to me
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In the early 90's, 1993 I believe, 1964 SMS were discovered and one of the descriptions was a satin like finish as opposed to mirror like proof strikes. They are rare yet some are beloved to still be out there. For the half dollar I believe a marker exists on the 4 in the date.
Try the PCGS site as they have a handful of graded examples and descriptions of the 64 Kennedy SMS. You never know. I believe one sold at auction for around 40g's.
The 1964 SMS is a very mysterious and obscure set that is not well known.
Worth the research.
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Ok so I tried to take some better pictures and one with a comparison next to an average looking 1964 half dollar. I tried the acetone soak as someone suggested but that did not change the surface. It is not a haze it is the actual surface. I checked the PCGS page about the SMS but I don't have anything to get this coin as magnified as their pictures to see those tiny details they mention that are unique to that particular coin.


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My experience this is what happens when a coins been treated with Tarnex and way too long, or possibly soaked in bleach.....
the tarnish toning turns white and it etches the coin. the only way to make it look better would be to use a polishing cloth on it like you would with other silver that you are trying to clean by following the directions.

I suppose you could treat it with more tarnex also, and rub it like you would with silverware, this would make it shine again, but it's be a cleaned coin. well it already is a harshly cleaned coin in reality anyways....

this is absolutely a caustic reaction, it's either bleach or chlorine but I'd think that would go a flat grey color and then turn black, or what I suspect it is... and someone soaked it in Tarnex which is SULPHAMIDIC ACID
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That works for me Big-Kingdom!
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