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Please Advise: Sorting Indian Head Cents By Value

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 Posted 02/06/2021  10:32 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
It recently occurred to me that I own approximately 2000 Indian Head cents ( IHC's) including a complete date and mint set in an album. Using readily available info, I had all the gems slabbed by PCGS. I then cataloged all the remaining IHC's using spreadsheet columns. 2x2's now sport serial nos. and whatever data I've isolated to date is held in other spreadsheet columns.

The coins not in the album are not random pocket change refugees. Each piece (circulated in most instances - yet not a single dog) was collected by a father/son team of collector/dealers over a period which I estimate began with the father in the late 1880's and which I know to have continued into the 1980's when I bought ownership from the son. I think I have a good grasp of the values as they are affected by date and well-known variety. There are a good number of uncirculated IHC's as well, but experience thus far tells me these are common dates.

I recently purchased Rick Snow's two volume hardcovers on IHC's. I contemplate adding his digital version, since I don't plan to live another seven decades. IHC's comprise just a small percentage of the research needed. My IHC goal is to sidestep stupidity by educating myself as to which are the more valuable and which are the less valuable varieties. I'm not drowning in greed just now, but I would like to be positioned to know which coins are varieties which merit further investment of my time and money and which do not merit same. Rick's 900 pages are a start, but the finish line must be someplace over my horizon. I intend to forge ahead regardless. Is there any guidance on the forum that offers to enhance the efficacy of my quest? I have not, to date, introduced myself to Snow Numbers. Ought I to be apprehensive?

Kevin
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 Posted 02/06/2021  1:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add RedRaider to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This will be a fun adventure. You did good in getting Ricks books. If I could give you advice when it comes to varieties, the ones he designates as one star and two stars dot really command a premium. I would focus on some of the "biggies" the 4 and 5 star varieties. Ive handled thousands of IHCs in the last decade, built a MS64-MS66 complete set and discovered a few new varieties over the years. Its a fantastic series to cherrypick.

Some of the ones to focus on are:
1857 mixed denomination clashes
1858/7
1859 RPDs
1864 L
1867/67
1868 die gouge reverse
1869/69
1871 and 1872 Shallow N reverses
1873 doubled liberty
1880 MAD reverse
MAD reverses for 1889 and 1890.
1891 DDO
1894/1894
1897 1 in neck
1902 obverse die gouge

There are others, but for the most part, this will be your biggest return on your time. Good luck and happy hunting!!
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 Posted 02/06/2021  1:35 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Rarely can one communicate one's exact need. Far more rarely does that communication bear fruit. Oh Yes! You've fueled my rocket. This WILL be a fun adventure (process) Regardless of the possibility it could lead to nowhere (product). I'm in for the fruit of the journey.

Thank you @RedRaider.

Kevin
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 Posted 02/07/2021  12:33 pm  Show Profile   Check jadenusa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jadenusa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would love to see pictures of that mint set Indian collection!
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The digital versions of the Snow varieties are well worth it. I'm constantly checking mine and the convenience is just awesome.
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 Posted 02/07/2021  1:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
A "mint set" is a thing I do not own. A "date and mint set" is comprised of coins related to dates and mints. If you think it's worth my effort, I'll comply -- but you can see images of completed albums at will. Please advise.

Kevin
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I have both of Rick's books digital and Hardback, I tend to use the digital more often for quick look ups, as I am more likely to be at or near my computer when looking at coins and I can enlarge the images quickly as needed. I believe you get the digital copy with the purchase of the hard cover set unless something changed? I was an early GoFund Me supporter though.

I would follow Red Raider's advise, it is sound on picking the best one to watch out for. The 4 & 5 star varieties are the ones that will pay back the most and are also in the highest demand.
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 Posted 02/07/2021  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@52Raymo, @westcoin, and again @RedRaider,

The very best way one can express gratitude for good advice is to follow it. Call me grateful.

Kevin
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Rick spent a Sunday helping me put mine on my iPad. I would never have figured it out. Cost like 70 bucks for all 4 pdf files.
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 Posted 02/09/2021  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You have way to many of those. It's time to put them back into circulation so the rest of us can find them.
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 Posted 02/13/2021  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add suipakpaikungfu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I just bought the 2 volume set in hardback. Nice collection!
Please do post photos of your complete set!!
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 Posted 02/15/2021  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Kcm to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
O-o-o-kay suipakpaikungfu,

Some on this site have a lot more experience than I at getting their point across through imagery. For the inexperienced, this is a challenge. I'd enjoy having my decisions critiqued. First decision: show both sides of the coins; next, keep things right side up. Problem: In the flipped images, the reverse of the left-most-upper-most coin is shown at bottom right. Solution: apply the SEP Quotient (Somebody Else's Problem Quotient).

Problem: there are coins gone AWOL from slots in the album. Two part solution: image the vagabonds in their slabs and apply the Quotient for any who care to study that well. Next problem: you imaged more filled slabs than there are unfilled slots! Solution: guess!

Let me know if you think I can do better in response.

Kevin

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