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Fake Hong Kong And Straits Settlements Silver Coins?

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 Posted 02/16/2021  12:02 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add zorosenpai to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hey all, I bought these silver coins today and need to know if they are real or fake. Unfortunately, I don't have a scale to weigh them but their diameters are correct. Can someone help me with this just by looking at them?

Thanks


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Hong Kong 10 Cents


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Straits Settlements 20 Cents
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 Posted 02/16/2021  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's a couple of things you could do to check. Try running a magnet over the coins. If they stick to the magnet, they're fake. Another easy thing you can do is to check the coin alignment. If you hold the coin looking at the queen's face and look over on the other side while holding it steady the ten cents side should be upside down. Often, counterfeiters forget this alignment issue. This test won't work on the one with George because the alignment is the same on both sides.
The value of these is low so there's not much reason to counterfeit them, but you never know!
Where did you get them if you don't mind sharing that info?
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02/16/2021 12:49 pm
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 Posted 02/16/2021  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add norantyki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
First is fake - details are wrong, the reeding is off, and there is a raised spot on the obverse. The second might be OK (albeit low grade and polished), but just looks off to me.
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 Posted 02/16/2021  8:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Porous surface on the first one.
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India
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 Posted 02/18/2021  12:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zorosenpai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
captainmandrake1 - I checked with both methods you suggested and both of them agree with the properties of the coin. I bought them from a dealer in my city.

norantyki - Are you 100% sure? I guess I was a bit too desperate to buy this one that I didn't notice its quality. So, should I return it to the dealer?

Numister - I'm sorry. Could you explain what it means?
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 Posted 02/18/2021  2:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add captainmandrake1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would agree with the other comments. I think the weak reeded edge and the porous surface indicate that the Victoria is not a mint cast coin, which wouldn't have the fuzzy details and crumbly look. In an original, you'd expect sharper details, even on a circulated coin. To me, the dull cull coloration suggests a non-silver metal or, if the coin is genuine, some kind of harsh cleaning that damaged the coin.
Please take a look at the "K" in Kong. It looks a bit odd!
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 Posted 02/19/2021  03:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add norantyki to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@zorosenpai - about the Hong Kong piece, yes, 100%. Get your money back if you can, and avoid whoever sold it to you in future - they are either dishonest, or know little about coins.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  06:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Numister to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Porous surface means the little holes and uneven surface you see.
The British colonial coins were minted to a high standard and you shouldn't see a porous surface.
Reeding is also clunky.

I got duped with a similar Hong Kong coin before so I'd know, a rare date 20 cents.

Brought it to a dealer and he pointed out the porous surface and "wrinkly" letters.

Lesson learned. Bought it from an elderly couple, doesn't look like they are getting rich of me, so just left it at that.

Who you buy from is as important as the details of the coin.

Kept the coin for future reference.
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02/19/2021 06:08 am
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 Posted 02/19/2021  06:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Have seen die struck fakes of the 1935 Hong Kong Ten Cents in silver, when genuine are copper nickel. The die cutting of the 'TEN CENTS' is obviously poor, most of the rest of the detail both sides is OK, but not perfect.

The genuine 1900 Hong Kong Tens Cents are .800 silver.
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 Posted 02/19/2021  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add zorosenpai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you so much everyone for helping me out! :)

I'll be returning this coin to the dealer soon. I learnt a lot in this thread and hopefully, I won't make the same mistakes again. Also, I assume the Straits settlements silver is a genuine piece at least xD
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 Posted 02/19/2021  4:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Mr T to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Agreed - first one looks fake but the second one could be real.
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