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So I Contacted The Chinese Seller On Ebay

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 Posted 12/18/2008  4:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mklpatrick to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
How can you tell the planchet surfaces are all wrong? (Sorry but I am trying to educate myself here)
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 Posted 12/19/2008  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bryan1315 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
its just the look of them, they aren't made of the right composition so the color is a little off
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 Posted 12/19/2008  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add markapsolon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I threw up a little bit in month when I saw this

Its good to see the black cabinet items but its very scary too. They even had a few gold counterfeits but they did look a little off to me. maybe we should stop trade with China all together..
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And I think it could be just as scary for the "young upwardly-mobile Chinese suburbanite" who owns the business featured in that article.
Any business which generates large margins illicitly will become a magnet for "unpleasant people" to get involved.
It's only a matter of time before an "innocent" cottage industry becomes sucked into the underworld--IMO.
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maybe we should stop trade with China all together

They would still find a way to sneak them in here. As stated earlier, they are making many varieties like overdates. Then you have the fake PCGS slabs. It's going to be interesting to see what the TPG's do in the future. This 1808/7 is pretty impressive but there is something about the date that throws a red flag up with me especially the top of the "7".
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I don't know...the wear and the patina just don't look right.
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The Chinese problem is just another monkey wrench in the field of coin collecting that I really used to love, starting with coins gathered from my paper route many years ago. Fake coins, fake holders, 6 and 7 figure coin prices, breaking and reslabbing, etc. is ruining it for me. Admit it, many people that call themselves "collectors" are really brokers or speculators. I love the historical aspect of classic coins, knowing that Washington, Lincoln or Grant might have had my coin in their pocket. If it's F, VF or XK etc isn't my enjoyment barometer. I'm probably a maverick in my thinking. Thanks for letting me rant for a while.
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Admit it, many people that call themselves "collectors" are really brokers or speculators. I love the historical aspect of classic coins, knowing that Washington, Lincoln or Grant might have had my coin in their pocket.

When coins are traded like equities sight-unseen...talk about boring. Such activity is the perfect target for forgeries. As you say, coins are about those interesting historical details and subtleties like die varieties which will keep collectors interested for years to come.
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It might be a good thing for collectors. If the 'investment' side becomes too risky because of fakes, the demand disappears and then so do the fakes.
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It could be the silver lining if we can weather the storm.
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Wow, this is a major problem. I am willing to bet many of these are in the US already, and some are probably in fake holders, too. This is so wrong for the hobby.
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